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This is a consolidated timeline of the events in Creation, as best we can figure out. All years are by the Realm calendar. | This is a consolidated timeline of the events in Creation, as best we can figure out. All years are by the Realm calendar. | ||
| − | == | + | === First Age === |
| + | Dates before the founding of the Realm are sketchy; however, certain events are not. In rough order: | ||
| − | + | * Solars rule for a "timeless age". ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], p. 11) | |
| − | + | === circa RY -4,500 === | |
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| − | + | * The end of the Primordial Wars. | |
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| − | + | * [[Autochthon]] withdraws from Creation, creating Autochthonia. Its calendar, which calculates years "in the same fashion as the Old Realm", begins and "the current year is 4878". This clearly occurred prior to the Usurpation, placing a limit on how far back that could have occurred. ([[Books/ExaltedTheAutochthonians | Autochthonians]], pg. 24) | |
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* Ascension Day, when the lesser elemental dragons were elevated to the status of gods. | * Ascension Day, when the lesser elemental dragons were elevated to the status of gods. | ||
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* The Kukla becomes the first greater elemental dragon and is promptly bound by the Unconquered Sun. | * The Kukla becomes the first greater elemental dragon and is promptly bound by the Unconquered Sun. | ||
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* The Usurpation, followed by "decades" of war to exterminate the Solars. ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], p. 11) | * The Usurpation, followed by "decades" of war to exterminate the Solars. ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], p. 11) | ||
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* "The Dragon-Blooded" rule for "centuries". ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], p. 11) This refers to the [[Shogunate]]. | * "The Dragon-Blooded" rule for "centuries". ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], p. 11) This refers to the [[Shogunate]]. | ||
| − | + | * "...the Dragon-Blooded managed to hold everything together for seven centuries". ([[Books/SiderealsSecond|Manual of Exalted Power: The Sidereals]], pg. 224) | |
| − | + | * Swan Dragon is Censor for the South from "345 years after the Usurpation up until the last days of the Contagion". His tenure is at least "a few hundred years". ([[Books/HousesOfTheBullGod | Houses of the Bull God]], pg. 102) | |
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* The arrival of the [[GreatContagion | Great Contagion]]. Based on the description events between this and the founding of the Realm ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], pp. 11-12), this probably happened only a few years before RY 0. | * The arrival of the [[GreatContagion | Great Contagion]]. Based on the description events between this and the founding of the Realm ([[Books/Exalted | Exalted]], pp. 11-12), this probably happened only a few years before RY 0. | ||
=== RY -1 === | === RY -1 === | ||
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* The [[SeventhLegion | Seventh Legion]] encamps in [[Deheleshen]] (the future site of [[Lookshy]]) ([[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]], p. 66) | * The [[SeventhLegion | Seventh Legion]] encamps in [[Deheleshen]] (the future site of [[Lookshy]]) ([[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]], p. 66) | ||
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Also known as [[YearOfSevenTigers | The Year of Seven Tigers]]. | Also known as [[YearOfSevenTigers | The Year of Seven Tigers]]. | ||
* The [[ScarletEmpress | Empress]] founds the Realm. ([[Books/ExaltedTheDragonBlooded | Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded]], pp. 17-22) | * The [[ScarletEmpress | Empress]] founds the Realm. ([[Books/ExaltedTheDragonBlooded | Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded]], pp. 17-22) | ||
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* Realm ships raid merchant vessels of the Scavenger Lands, resulting in privateer campaigns against the Realm by those lands. ([[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]], p. 66) | * Realm ships raid merchant vessels of the Scavenger Lands, resulting in privateer campaigns against the Realm by those lands. ([[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]], p. 66) | ||
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| − | * The Outcaste | + | * The Outcaste DragonBlooded Summer Conflagration leads the Linowans in an attack on Halta and is miserably defeated. ([[Books/KingdomOfHalta | Kingdom of Halta]], p. 37) |
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== Comments == | == Comments == | ||
| − | RY 76 marks the end of the second invasion of the Scavenger Lands, as the Seventh Legion marches to Great Forks to defeat the forces there. Yet, reading down, Great Forks is not founded for more than two hundred years hence (RY 278). Am I missing something? ... | + | RY 76 marks the end of the second invasion of the Scavenger Lands, as the Seventh Legion marches to Great Forks to defeat the forces there. Yet, reading down, Great Forks is not founded for more than two hundred years hence (RY 278). Am I missing something? ...DeathBySurfeit |
:Maybe they mean that the modern city of Great Forks wasn't founded until later, and the previous mention of Great Forks simply refers to the area? Or maybe there was an old city that's separate from the new city? Or maybe it's just that <insert usual comment about White Wolf's editors here>.<br>~ [[Shataina]] | :Maybe they mean that the modern city of Great Forks wasn't founded until later, and the previous mention of Great Forks simply refers to the area? Or maybe there was an old city that's separate from the new city? Or maybe it's just that <insert usual comment about White Wolf's editors here>.<br>~ [[Shataina]] | ||
| − | ::A thought on this particular problem: Does [[Books/ExaltedTheAbyssals | Exalted: The Abyssals]] give a date for when the [[PrincessMagnificentWithLipsOfCoralAndRobesOfBlackFeathers | Princess Magnificent]] was defeated by the three spirits of Great Forks? That would give us a ballpark for the city's founding. -- | + | ::A thought on this particular problem: Does [[Books/ExaltedTheAbyssals | Exalted: The Abyssals]] give a date for when the [[PrincessMagnificentWithLipsOfCoralAndRobesOfBlackFeathers | Princess Magnificent]] was defeated by the three spirits of Great Forks? That would give us a ballpark for the city's founding. -- JesseLowe |
:My thoughts are not that the editing is done poorly, but rather that it is done as it is intended. Not everyone agrees on certain parts of our own history. So why should the 2nd Age be any different? Not to mention everyone tells history a little differently. Ever read how the British version about the American Revolution? [[Savare]] | :My thoughts are not that the editing is done poorly, but rather that it is done as it is intended. Not everyone agrees on certain parts of our own history. So why should the 2nd Age be any different? Not to mention everyone tells history a little differently. Ever read how the British version about the American Revolution? [[Savare]] | ||
| − | :: The problem is this: Are the Exalted books written from an objective or subjective perspective? This has come up before with White Wolf, re: World of Darkness. As far as I can tell, all the books save the Caste / Aspect books are written from an objective point of view, i.e. what is written is true regardless of what the Scarlet Empress thinks; when material is either "from a certain point of view" or canonically left uncertain, that's usually made clear, as are in-character bits. Most of [[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]] is written from the objective point of view, so I think that the timeline errors -- which are not confined to Scavenger Sons, by the way -- are just that: errors. -- | + | :: The problem is this: Are the Exalted books written from an objective or subjective perspective? This has come up before with White Wolf, re: World of Darkness. As far as I can tell, all the books save the Caste / Aspect books are written from an objective point of view, i.e. what is written is true regardless of what the Scarlet Empress thinks; when material is either "from a certain point of view" or canonically left uncertain, that's usually made clear, as are in-character bits. Most of [[Books/ScavengerSons | Scavenger Sons]] is written from the objective point of view, so I think that the timeline errors -- which are not confined to Scavenger Sons, by the way -- are just that: errors. -- JesseLowe |
::I believe it's been suggested that such errors can be reified by assuming that they are a result of tangles in the Loom of Fate. Thus, a battle can take place outside the walls of a city even though that city will not be founded for two hundred years. This is the sort of thing that gives Chejop Kejak heartburn. - [[Quendalon]] | ::I believe it's been suggested that such errors can be reified by assuming that they are a result of tangles in the Loom of Fate. Thus, a battle can take place outside the walls of a city even though that city will not be founded for two hundred years. This is the sort of thing that gives Chejop Kejak heartburn. - [[Quendalon]] | ||
| − | :::That may have been suggested, but in my opinion, it sounds like a very thin attempt to rationalize poor editing. I agree with | + | :::That may have been suggested, but in my opinion, it sounds like a very thin attempt to rationalize poor editing. I agree with JesseLowe; the books are (and should be) written from an objective point of view, except in certain sections where they are clearly speaking in the voice of an in-character source known to be biased, such as a Realm Historian. Occam's Razor suggests that any other inconsistencies are, in fact, editing mistakes, and not part of an elaborate plot by the writers to deliberately cloud the facts. --[[Toram]] |
The Outcaste and Alchemical books both make references to dates before the Realm calender began. Lookshy dates it's calander from the beginning of the Shogunate period, whilst the Authothonians have been counting the days since just after the Primordial War, I beleive. Maybe these two books would be useful in this instance? --[[Megapope]] | The Outcaste and Alchemical books both make references to dates before the Realm calender began. Lookshy dates it's calander from the beginning of the Shogunate period, whilst the Authothonians have been counting the days since just after the Primordial War, I beleive. Maybe these two books would be useful in this instance? --[[Megapope]] | ||
Revision as of 17:47, 17 April 2008
This is a consolidated timeline of the events in Creation, as best we can figure out. All years are by the Realm calendar.
Contents
- 1 First Age
- 2 circa RY -4,500
- 3 RY -4,110
- 4 circa RY -3,900
- 5 circa RY -2,800
- 6 circa RY -500
- 7 circa RY -400
- 8 Usurpation & Shogunate
- 9 RY -1
- 10 RY 0
- 11 RY 12
- 12 RY 20
- 13 RY 38
- 14 RY 40
- 15 RY 45
- 16 RY 47
- 17 RY 52
- 18 RY 53
- 19 RY 69
- 20 RY 75
- 21 RY 76
- 22 RY 83
- 23 RY 88
- 24 RY 89
- 25 RY 95
- 26 RY 99
- 27 RY 103
- 28 RY 104-109
- 29 RY 114
- 30 RY 117
- 31 RY 139
- 32 RY 146
- 33 RY 174
- 34 RY 176
- 35 RY 179
- 36 RY 211
- 37 RY 223
- 38 RY 244
- 39 RY 263
- 40 RY 265
- 41 RY 270
- 42 RY 278
- 43 RY 281
- 44 RY 299
- 45 RY 301
- 46 RY 303
- 47 RY 318
- 48 RY 326
- 49 RY 335
- 50 RY 364
- 51 RY 370
- 52 RY 371
- 53 RY 393
- 54 RY 416
- 55 RY 418
- 56 RY 435
- 57 RY 465
- 58 RY 547
- 59 RY 554
- 60 RY 557
- 61 RY 563
- 62 RY 568
- 63 RY 591
- 64 RY 707
- 65 RY 708
- 66 RY 748
- 67 RY 750
- 68 RY 754
- 69 RY 757
- 70 RY 761
- 71 RY 762
- 72 RY 763
- 73 RY 764
- 74 RY 766
- 75 RY 768
- 76 Comments
First Age
Dates before the founding of the Realm are sketchy; however, certain events are not. In rough order:
- Solars rule for a "timeless age". ( Exalted, p. 11)
circa RY -4,500
- The end of the Primordial Wars.
RY -4,110
- Autochthon withdraws from Creation, creating Autochthonia. Its calendar, which calculates years "in the same fashion as the Old Realm", begins and "the current year is 4878". This clearly occurred prior to the Usurpation, placing a limit on how far back that could have occurred. ( Autochthonians, pg. 24)
circa RY -3,900
- Ascension Day, when the lesser elemental dragons were elevated to the status of gods.
circa RY -2,800
- The Kukla becomes the first greater elemental dragon and is promptly bound by the Unconquered Sun.
circa RY -500
- The Unconquered Sun gets angry at the Solar Deliberative and turns his face from the Solar Exalted.
circa RY -400
- The Usurpation
Usurpation & Shogunate
- The Usurpation, followed by "decades" of war to exterminate the Solars. ( Exalted, p. 11)
- "The Dragon-Blooded" rule for "centuries". ( Exalted, p. 11) This refers to the Shogunate.
- "...the Dragon-Blooded managed to hold everything together for seven centuries". (Manual of Exalted Power: The Sidereals, pg. 224)
- Swan Dragon is Censor for the South from "345 years after the Usurpation up until the last days of the Contagion". His tenure is at least "a few hundred years". ( Houses of the Bull God, pg. 102)
- The arrival of the Great Contagion. Based on the description events between this and the founding of the Realm ( Exalted, pp. 11-12), this probably happened only a few years before RY 0.
RY -1
- The Seventh Legion encamps in Deheleshen (the future site of Lookshy) ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 0
Also known as The Year of Seven Tigers.
- The Empress founds the Realm. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, pp. 17-22)
- The Great Contagion ends.
RY 12
- The All-Seeing Eye is chartered. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 22)
RY 20
- Lookshy is founded on the ruins of Deheleshen. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 38
- The core of the Realm ministries is in place by this year. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 22)
RY 40
- The legions of the Realm first achieve full strength. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 23)
RY 45
- Realm agents make first contact with Scavenger Lands cities, persuading some to swear fealty to the Empress; most cities refuse. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 47
- First invasion of the Scavenger Lands by the Realm. The invading force is the Fourth Imperial Legion. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 52
- Council of Entities takes control of Nexus. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 53
- Fourth Imperial Legion withdraws from the Scavenger Lands to its allied cities on the coast. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 69
- Brem Marst born in Great Forks... or, at least, where Great Forks will be founded... ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 75
- Second Realm invasion of the Scavenger Lands begins, with four legions as the invasion force. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Lookshy besieged by Realm forces ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Nexus occupied by Realm forces; Realm forces are pushed out after several weeks. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 76
- Realm invasion of the Scavenger Lands continues. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Siege of Lookshy lifted by use of a First Age weapon. (This probably creates the shadowland of Mourning Field, in which case we know that Lookshy was besieged by the Sixth and Ninth Legions.) ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Seventh Legion forces march to Great Forks -- or at least, to the conjunction of the Yellow River and the Rolling River where Great Forks will be founded in RY 278 -- and destroy the Fourth Imperial Legion there. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Realm forces withdraw from the Scavenger Lands. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 83
- Realm ships raid merchant vessels of the Scavenger Lands, resulting in privateer campaigns against the Realm by those lands. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 88
- Third and final invasion of the Scavenger Lands by the Realm, with seven legions. Seventh Legion forces are scattered, but units from Melevhil and Nathir tie up Realm forces. The invaders are harrassed by guerrilla forces. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Brem Marst stuck in the Lap, studies with the Counters. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 89
- Empress' Own Guard destroyed near Melevhil. The third invasion of the Scavenger Lands is repulsed. General Vondy Beulen of the Realm defects to Lookshy along with several Dragons. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
- Brem Marst returns home. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 95
- The League of Many Rivers is formed by the free cities of the Scavenger Lands as an alliance of mutual aid and support. Members include Lookshy, Nexus, Sijan, and others. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 66)
RY 99
- Brem Marst founds the Guild. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 103
- The Deliberative of the Realm is created. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 23)
RY 104-109
- Coastal states of the Scavenger lands join the League of Many Rivers. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67)
RY 114
- An assassination attempt on the Empress prompts her to promote infighting among the servants of the Realm as a security measure. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 24)
- The Empress takes the noble Rawar of Arjuf as a husband. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 26)
RY 117
- The Guild moves its operations to Nexus. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 139
- Ragara is born to the Empress and Rawar of Arjuf. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 26)
RY 146
- Bagrash Köl founds a kingdom in the North using the Eye of Autochthon. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 174
- The Nine Duchies rebellion against the Realm. The Empress discovers Guild involvement after the rebellion is crushed. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
- The Guild withdraws from Bagrash Köl's kingdom. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 176
- The Eye of Autochthon destroys Bagrash Köl's kingdom. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 179
- Bram Marst dies. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 211
- The Delzahn horde conquers Chiaroscuro. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 223
- By this year, most of the Threshold -- those nations on the shore of the Inland Sea -- is under Realm control. Exceptions include the Scavenger Lands and a few others. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 25)
RY 244
- House Manosque attempts a coup in the Realm. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 24)
RY 263
- Tensions increase between the Laris and Velen districts in the Scavenger Lands. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67)
RY 265
- Tensions between the Laris and Velen districts in the Scavenger Lands erupt into a brief war. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67)
RY 270
- The Raksha Yseult re-enters Creation. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 64)
RY 278
- Great Forks is founded. (Scavenger Sons, p. 78)
RY 281
- Haltans make a treaty with the Fair Folk. ( Kingdom of Halta, pp. 29, 37)
RY 299
- Peasant uprising on the Blessed Isle: Trae Leng's Revolt. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 28)
RY 301
- The Realm sends an expedition into the Scavenger Lands, which is quickly crushed by Seventh Legion Forces. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67)
RY 303
- House Iselsi attempts a coup in the Realm. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 24)
RY 318
- The Outcaste DragonBlooded Summer Conflagration leads the Linowans in an attack on Halta and is miserably defeated. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 37)
RY 326
- Peasant uprising on the Blessed Isle: the Vengeful Harvest. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 28)
RY 335
- The Guild establishes its first office on the Blessed Isle, at Chanos. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 364
- Arczeckhi Hordes invade the Scavenger Lands, according Manacle and Coin. This seems to be about 90 years too early, though... ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 370
- The Empress' husband Rawar of Arjuf is assassinated. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 26)
RY 371
- The Guild establishes Lord's Crossing as its hub city in the Realm. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 393
- The Realm begins taxing the Guild. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 416
- The Trade War begins between the Realm and the Guild. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 418
- The Trade War ends with a pseudo-compromise. ( Manacle and Coin, p. 13)
RY 435
- Arczeckhi Hordes invade the Scavenger Lands; are turned back by Guild mercenaries, Lookshy forces, and Hundred Kingdoms soldiers. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67)
RY 465
- Peasant uprising on the Blessed Isle: Unbroken Rushes Rebellion. Lasts until RY 466. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 28-29)
RY 547
- Fair Folk invade the Hundred Kingdoms; the League of Many Rivers alliance collapses under the assault. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 64-65, 67)
RY 554
- Fair Folk are finally driven from the Hundred Kingdoms. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 65, 67)
RY 557
- The Confederation of Rivers is created by the major cities of the Scavenger Lands. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 65, 67)
RY 563
- Beginning of the war between the Fair Folk nobles Slulura and Yseult, in the Northeast. Lasts until RY 568. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 60)
RY 568
- Creation of the stone forest of the Proving Ground ends the war between Slulura and Yseult. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 65)
RY 591
- Peasant uprising on the Blessed Isle: Ragara's Widow's Uprising. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 28)
RY 707
- Peasant uprising on the Blessed Isle: Bloodied Scythe Uprising. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, p. 28)
RY 708
- House V'neef is founded. V'neef may have been born this year, but it seems more likely that she was already an adult when the house was founded. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, pp. 27, 84-87)
RY 748
- The Realm foments a coup d'etat in Thorns. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 65, 67)
RY 750
- Thorns attacks the Scavenger Lands. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 65, 67)
RY 754
- Thorns is defeated by the Confederation of Rivers at Mishaka. ( Scavenger Sons, pp. 65, 67)
RY 757
- The Scarlet Empress disappears during Calibration. ( Scavenger Sons, p. 67) (This is probably in error; see Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded.)
RY 761
Resplendent Air
- The Bull of the North attacks the Rokan-jin and Talinin tribes, leading to the war between him and the Realm (specifically the Tepet legions). This war lasts until Ascending Earth RY 764. ( Kingdom of Halta, pp. 38-41)
RY 762
Ascending Water
- War between the Bull of the North and northeastern tribes escalates; the Linowan enter the fray against the Bull. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 38)
RY 763
Descending Earth
- Linowans request aid from the Realm in their war with the Bull of the North. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 38)
Descending Wood
- The Tepet legions join the Linowan in their war with the Bull of the North. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 38)
Resplendent Fire
- The Bull of the North commits completely to the war between his forces and the Realm in the Northeast. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 38)
Calibration
- The Empress disappears. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, pp. 30, 33)
RY 764
- Council of the Empty Throne elects Regent Fokuf to "reign" over the Realm. ( Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, pp. 30, 33
- Thorns is conquered by the Mask Of Winters. (Exalted, p. 77; Exalted: The Dragon-Blooded, pp. 30, 33)
Ascending Air
- Battle of Krellen Ford ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 39)
- The Bull of the North's forces retreat from Krellen Ford, but devastate their Tepet pursuers after receving reinforcements. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 39)
Resplendent Air
- Battle of Ironthorn Forest. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 40)
Ascending Water
- Battle of Fallen Lapis. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 41)
Resplendent Water
- Tepet forces begin retreat from the Bull of the North. (Kingdom of Halt, p. 41)
Ascending Earth
- Last of the Tepet legions in the Northeast are destroyed in the Battle of Futile Blood. ( Kingdom of Halta, p. 41)
RY 766
- According to Scavenger Sons, p. 19, this is the earliest that the Bull of the North is mentioned, uniting the icewalker tribes. Obviously, this contradicts information in the Kingdom of Halta sourcebook, which has him waging war in the northeast, south of the Linowan Nation, between 761 and 764. See Discussions/BullOfTheNorth for more on this.
RY 768
Present year.
Comments
RY 76 marks the end of the second invasion of the Scavenger Lands, as the Seventh Legion marches to Great Forks to defeat the forces there. Yet, reading down, Great Forks is not founded for more than two hundred years hence (RY 278). Am I missing something? ...DeathBySurfeit
- Maybe they mean that the modern city of Great Forks wasn't founded until later, and the previous mention of Great Forks simply refers to the area? Or maybe there was an old city that's separate from the new city? Or maybe it's just that <insert usual comment about White Wolf's editors here>.
~ Shataina
- A thought on this particular problem: Does Exalted: The Abyssals give a date for when the Princess Magnificent was defeated by the three spirits of Great Forks? That would give us a ballpark for the city's founding. -- JesseLowe
- My thoughts are not that the editing is done poorly, but rather that it is done as it is intended. Not everyone agrees on certain parts of our own history. So why should the 2nd Age be any different? Not to mention everyone tells history a little differently. Ever read how the British version about the American Revolution? Savare
- The problem is this: Are the Exalted books written from an objective or subjective perspective? This has come up before with White Wolf, re: World of Darkness. As far as I can tell, all the books save the Caste / Aspect books are written from an objective point of view, i.e. what is written is true regardless of what the Scarlet Empress thinks; when material is either "from a certain point of view" or canonically left uncertain, that's usually made clear, as are in-character bits. Most of Scavenger Sons is written from the objective point of view, so I think that the timeline errors -- which are not confined to Scavenger Sons, by the way -- are just that: errors. -- JesseLowe
- I believe it's been suggested that such errors can be reified by assuming that they are a result of tangles in the Loom of Fate. Thus, a battle can take place outside the walls of a city even though that city will not be founded for two hundred years. This is the sort of thing that gives Chejop Kejak heartburn. - Quendalon
- That may have been suggested, but in my opinion, it sounds like a very thin attempt to rationalize poor editing. I agree with JesseLowe; the books are (and should be) written from an objective point of view, except in certain sections where they are clearly speaking in the voice of an in-character source known to be biased, such as a Realm Historian. Occam's Razor suggests that any other inconsistencies are, in fact, editing mistakes, and not part of an elaborate plot by the writers to deliberately cloud the facts. --Toram
The Outcaste and Alchemical books both make references to dates before the Realm calender began. Lookshy dates it's calander from the beginning of the Shogunate period, whilst the Authothonians have been counting the days since just after the Primordial War, I beleive. Maybe these two books would be useful in this instance? --Megapope
