Talk:CreationTimeline

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RY 76 marks the end of the second invasion of the Scavenger Lands, as the Seventh Legion marches to Great Forks to defeat the forces there. Yet, reading down, Great Forks is not founded for more than two hundred years hence (RY 278). Am I missing something? ...DeathBySurfeit

Maybe they mean that the modern city of Great Forks wasn't founded until later, and the previous mention of Great Forks simply refers to the area? Or maybe there was an old city that's separate from the new city? Or maybe it's just that <insert usual comment about White Wolf's editors here>.
~ Shataina

A thought on this particular problem: Does Exalted: The Abyssals give a date for when the Princess Magnificent was defeated by the three spirits of Great Forks? That would give us a ballpark for the city's founding. -- JesseLowe

My thoughts are not that the editing is done poorly, but rather that it is done as it is intended. Not everyone agrees on certain parts of our own history. So why should the 2nd Age be any different? Not to mention everyone tells history a little differently. Ever read how the British version about the American Revolution? Savare

The problem is this: Are the Exalted books written from an objective or subjective perspective? This has come up before with White Wolf, re: World of Darkness. As far as I can tell, all the books save the Caste / Aspect books are written from an objective point of view, i.e. what is written is true regardless of what the Scarlet Empress thinks; when material is either "from a certain point of view" or canonically left uncertain, that's usually made clear, as are in-character bits. Most of Scavenger Sons is written from the objective point of view, so I think that the timeline errors -- which are not confined to Scavenger Sons, by the way -- are just that: errors. -- JesseLowe

I believe it's been suggested that such errors can be reified by assuming that they are a result of tangles in the Loom of Fate. Thus, a battle can take place outside the walls of a city even though that city will not be founded for two hundred years. This is the sort of thing that gives Chejop Kejak heartburn. - Quendalon

That may have been suggested, but in my opinion, it sounds like a very thin attempt to rationalize poor editing. I agree with JesseLowe; the books are (and should be) written from an objective point of view, except in certain sections where they are clearly speaking in the voice of an in-character source known to be biased, such as a Realm Historian. Occam's Razor suggests that any other inconsistencies are, in fact, editing mistakes, and not part of an elaborate plot by the writers to deliberately cloud the facts. --Toram

I disagree: I think this sort of thing is EXACTLY why the authors put in mixed up dates like that: Great Forks was founded when a trio of gods used high end shaping magic to B-tchsl-p a Deathlord: if anything was going to cause a NASTY tangle in the loom that would be it. (Or alternatively it could have been caused by the Void Circle necromancy spell Princess Magnificent with Lips of Coral and Robes of Black Feathers cast on the nearby Shadowland just before she fled...) --Survival is Niffty! 05:25, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

The Outcaste and Alchemical books both make references to dates before the Realm calender began. Lookshy dates it's calander from the beginning of the Shogunate period, whilst the Authothonians have been counting the days since just after the Primordial War, I beleive. Maybe these two books would be useful in this instance? --Megapope