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It is with a heavy heart that I declare this page woefully incomplete thanks to Exalted 2nd Edition: but no matter, by blood begun, by blood undone: I will complete the work. --[[User:The Ghost|Survival is Niffty!]] 23:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC) | It is with a heavy heart that I declare this page woefully incomplete thanks to Exalted 2nd Edition: but no matter, by blood begun, by blood undone: I will complete the work. --[[User:The Ghost|Survival is Niffty!]] 23:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Mass Re-Org Project Guidelines == | ||
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+ | We are currently in the process of reorganizing the page and adding in the characters from 2nd and 3rd edition: here are some of the steps to that process that are currently needed: | ||
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+ | 1: Make each character name a sub heading under their type so that people can post links there to multiple versions of the character under the heading of their user pages for distinguishing the types in addition to preserving the page with canonical content. | ||
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+ | 2: Add characters from 2nd edition sources, with subheading status as above. | ||
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+ | 3: Duplicate character headings from 1st edition into second and if relevant 3rd ed sources. | ||
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+ | 4: Find and add page citations for any characters who currently lack them and add notes to challenge and eventually remove characters for whom citations cannot be found: this page is for canon characters only. | ||
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+ | 4.1: Do note that because of the integration of 'Elegant Nova of Progression' into the 2nd ed Alchemicals book we are considering the characters from KoC and TotM to be canon for this page. If anyone objects to this status for the characters besides Nova, who cannot be denied as canon now, that can be discussed: but for the time being Nova pulls in all KoC characters and through them Tale's of the Mastah characters as well. This adds a negligible amount to the number of canon characters, and almost all of those from KoC. | ||
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+ | 4.2: Also note that this page is a census of the Canon EXALTED, no ghosts, demons, gods, elementals, fair folk, any of the above 'blooded', mortals, dragon kings, mountain folk, deathlords, or Half Castes will be included here: the task is Herculean enough without dealing with any of those people. (Mortals and Half Castes may be included under the specific instance of them having actually Exalted into a member of their Exalt type.) | ||
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+ | 5: All counts of exalted by type should be kept accurate and updated as new exalts are added. Furthermore they should be noted into the pages like in the following example, omitting any unnecessary categories: | ||
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+ | (17 Living, 1 Possibly Dead, 1 Confirmed Dead, 2 DotFA.) | ||
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+ | 5.1: All [[DotFA]] characters are presumed dead unless proven otherwise in a citeable canon source: if they can be proved to still be living then they should not be filed under DotFA but under 'living'. If at any point new citations are found which prove them to be alive they should be moved from one location in the tally to the other. | ||
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+ | 5.2: Similarly if a character is shown to have been killed in a citeable source move them from the 'Living' tally into the 'Confirmed Dead' or if there is any doubt 'Possibly Dead' tally. | ||
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+ | 6: This is a community project, anyone and everyone is not only permitted but encouraged to help: I do not want to see revert wars or comment spam in the page itself, and am going to go remove the bits of that which are currently in there. |
Latest revision as of 16:53, 7 November 2014
Comments
All the Exalts from stuff other than Outcastes, PG, and AB:E should be here by now. Does someone who owns those want to add whatever might be missing? - willows
I just got outcastes. I'll be adding stuff when I get the time. Are we going to have a separate section for each group of outcastes? And what about the Gentes? Scrollreader
I just added some of the DBs from Outcaste, but I'm pretty sure I missed a couple. (Added: Eos, Ossissa, and their captains; the two leaders of the Forest Witches.) -- JesseLowe
Started the Infernal Exalted list, since there are a few of those now. -jboerj
This needs to be updated. Most caste and aspect books that have been released has information that places the unknowns in their caste. And for the record, I think Yushuv is an Eclipse. ~StarHawk
- You realise that no one is stopping you from doing so. - willows
I've just started reading Cult of the Illuminated, so what the hell, might as well add the characters in there as I go through it. - Stanoje
- Thanks! - willows
- Okay, chapter 3 is done, too. Now only the chapter on the Wyld Hunt is left. I'm not that interested in it, so it might be a while before I add the characters from it, if ever.
- You missed Amaya. Also, Burning Moon is explicitely a Twilight. -Xeriar
- Okay, chapter 3 is done, too. Now only the chapter on the Wyld Hunt is left. I'm not that interested in it, so it might be a while before I add the characters from it, if ever.
I went through and counted how many canon Exalts there were that we have listed before going through and double-checking the 2E sometime in the next weeks. I kind of wanted percentages of canon to non for my own STing purposes. Please make sure to change numbers if you add any more! --UncleChu
I'm hesistant to add them, but there are a number of additional characters in the "Quest for the Great Source" adventure in Exalted: the Autochtonians. Are they canonical enough to include here? - Hapushet, who also, quite sadly, must point out that Crow the Boy might be dead
- Why might Crow be dead? If this is significantly likely, it should be mentioned. I'd wager the other characters you've encountered in the QftGS are worth adding, just make sure you cite their book and page location so STs can be like, "ANY CHARACTERS FROM AUTOCHTHONIANS ARE TEH BANNED!" --UncleChu
- The reason why Crow is suspected dead is that she is apparently the character that the Roseblack kills in AB: Wood. However, MUran has said that it's not REALLY Crow... just that she needed a "kid Solar" to kill and Crow was the first that came to mind. - Tiffa
- Dude, I took a look at my buddy's copy of AB:W and I'll be damned if that's not Crow the Boy in the illustration. Changed 'may have been killed' to 'probably killed'. Its a powerful convincing argument. They've got the same damned goggles. --UncleChu
- Mkay, let's try this again...
- MUran's comment in the picture is: "Yesh, it's Crow the Boy. She was the first character that came to mind when I had to illustrate that particular bit of text.", and then on a reply which basically goes "NOOOOOO", her reply is "It's not canon! MAN! You people and your attachments!!! >:P"
- Me, I take it that Crow isn't really dead :P - Tiffa
- Continuing the above, it is also worth noting that the image and text conflict. Crow "the Boy" is an ironic nickname, and Crow is very noticeably female (Quote from CB:E 95: "...took the dress and name when her departure from adolescence into young womanhood turned her from a lanky child into a strikingly beautiful girl."), while the Anathema that Ejava killed was not (Quote from AB:E 51: "...the last one I killed looked like nothing more than an urchin boy out of any market in the Realm."). The illustration is definitely of Ejava doing something unpleasant to Crow, but the text itself is referring to someone who isn't Crow: if Crow == Noticeably Female and Unknown Anathema =/= Noticeably Female (or the text would've said so), then Unknown Anathema =/= Crow. --MentalFloss
- Ah, sorry Tiffa. Perhaps MUran underestimates the raw power she wields with such potent illustrations... ones that get published in official materials... which is what canon means. I don't know all the circumstances, of course, but MUran actually has sort of made it canon. But, according to the definitions here, do indicate that something must be inarguable, and in writing. MentalFloss's argument is quite sound, and I'd say that certainly, text indeed trumps freelance illustrations ;) --UncleChu
- Dude, I took a look at my buddy's copy of AB:W and I'll be damned if that's not Crow the Boy in the illustration. Changed 'may have been killed' to 'probably killed'. Its a powerful convincing argument. They've got the same damned goggles. --UncleChu
- The reason why Crow is suspected dead is that she is apparently the character that the Roseblack kills in AB: Wood. However, MUran has said that it's not REALLY Crow... just that she needed a "kid Solar" to kill and Crow was the first that came to mind. - Tiffa
Moved Gerd Marrow-Eater under No-Moons -- Rafilar
It is with a heavy heart that I declare this page woefully incomplete thanks to Exalted 2nd Edition: but no matter, by blood begun, by blood undone: I will complete the work. --Survival is Niffty! 23:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Mass Re-Org Project Guidelines
We are currently in the process of reorganizing the page and adding in the characters from 2nd and 3rd edition: here are some of the steps to that process that are currently needed:
1: Make each character name a sub heading under their type so that people can post links there to multiple versions of the character under the heading of their user pages for distinguishing the types in addition to preserving the page with canonical content.
2: Add characters from 2nd edition sources, with subheading status as above.
3: Duplicate character headings from 1st edition into second and if relevant 3rd ed sources.
4: Find and add page citations for any characters who currently lack them and add notes to challenge and eventually remove characters for whom citations cannot be found: this page is for canon characters only.
4.1: Do note that because of the integration of 'Elegant Nova of Progression' into the 2nd ed Alchemicals book we are considering the characters from KoC and TotM to be canon for this page. If anyone objects to this status for the characters besides Nova, who cannot be denied as canon now, that can be discussed: but for the time being Nova pulls in all KoC characters and through them Tale's of the Mastah characters as well. This adds a negligible amount to the number of canon characters, and almost all of those from KoC.
4.2: Also note that this page is a census of the Canon EXALTED, no ghosts, demons, gods, elementals, fair folk, any of the above 'blooded', mortals, dragon kings, mountain folk, deathlords, or Half Castes will be included here: the task is Herculean enough without dealing with any of those people. (Mortals and Half Castes may be included under the specific instance of them having actually Exalted into a member of their Exalt type.)
5: All counts of exalted by type should be kept accurate and updated as new exalts are added. Furthermore they should be noted into the pages like in the following example, omitting any unnecessary categories:
(17 Living, 1 Possibly Dead, 1 Confirmed Dead, 2 DotFA.)
5.1: All DotFA characters are presumed dead unless proven otherwise in a citeable canon source: if they can be proved to still be living then they should not be filed under DotFA but under 'living'. If at any point new citations are found which prove them to be alive they should be moved from one location in the tally to the other.
5.2: Similarly if a character is shown to have been killed in a citeable source move them from the 'Living' tally into the 'Confirmed Dead' or if there is any doubt 'Possibly Dead' tally.
6: This is a community project, anyone and everyone is not only permitted but encouraged to help: I do not want to see revert wars or comment spam in the page itself, and am going to go remove the bits of that which are currently in there.