TonyC/StudentToTheSunAndStarsOldComments

I really wish I could surprise FrivYeti with my choice of tactics. But after seeing the amount of "is that legal?" debates, I'd rather lose the chance of making everyone's jaws drop rather than risking betting on a tactic only to be told "no, that's not how it actually works." - TonyC

First off, that Simple Charm trick works. If you get multiple actions from something, you CAN use the same Simple Charm multiple times with it. As for Plan #1.... geez, that works. Works really well. Really, really well. I mean, it forces a draw, not a victory, but... this is exactly why 2nd Edition is going to have Integrity. (On the flip side, that's why I was thinking of Compelling Whisper Technique for the Lion).

I really REALLY do suggest sticking with a combination of Firesoul shaper form + chimera's coils and Chosen of Endings way to just nuke Lion... of course, you'll be vulnerable to his SCD... so yeah... ^_^;
~ Haku

If you go for Exalt Ways (and just want buttkicking power), I might suggest Starmetal Alchemical Exalt Ways, my current twinkery favorite. In addition to +10 Dex successes, you can also add +5 dice to attacks, damage and initiative for the duration of the Exalt Ways for just 5 more reflexive motes. - Hapushet

Ummm...Wasn't it the Starmetal alchemicals that got the bonus to several combat dicepools? I thought the Moonsilvers just gave an essence*2 bonus to initive. Although +20 to your initive is nothing to sneeze at.... --BrilliantRain

Uh, yeah. Starmetal Alchemicals. <lightningfast editing> See? That's what I said... <blush> - Hapushet

Another option for the Exalt Ways would be to go Serenity... and then have an Eclipse ally with Song of Spirit Persuasion (Man+Performance vs. targets Essence... but in this case with 10 autosuccesses). Now FaFL (a ghost, therefore a spirit) is an ally. Spend some xp and it is permanent. Whee! -szilard

Based on the reading of that Charm, I think it's only referring to gods, not to demons or ghosts. At least, that would be my interpretation. Ghosts being outside of fate and all. - FrivYeti

Dear Storytellers everywhere, when your Sidereal player starts getting Song of Spirit Persuasion and Soul Fire Shaper both, smack him. Unless of course you have this great plan for showcasing the Sidereal's Great Curse. - TonyC

I aggree with FrivYeti because the charm specificialy states "Spirits and Elementals" that would cover it not working on ghosts. Additionally FaFL is outside of fate and thus immune to Sidereal charm compulsion (E:S p.129) so unless you find a way to make him a spirit inside of creation that will not work. - Blackedout

Regarding the use of God Ways, I'm not convinced you can dematerialise and possess Lion successfully, given that (a) you're in a night-time shadowland, and nothing is immaterial in shadowlands, and (b) he's a spirit, and I doubt they can be possessed. - OrigamiFox