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Subject: Realm Script? JabberwockyX - 12/06/2003 22:31:37 - jabberwocky_x@yahoo.com
This has all been done before. Sadly, I can't find the extended document on Realm Script, but Alabrax's site has pretty exhaustive documentation on Lunar Script:
http://alabrax.com/exalted/fanworks/lunar_script_tutorial.htm
I have a more recent version of the Realm character set than that on Alabrax's site; I'm not sure where it came from, but one should assume that someone has documented the various nuances somewhere, though I recall that DS' conclusion is correct, though I don't remember if there're any guidelines for if a letter-pair is reversed or not, other than the word that should result.
Subject: Realm Script?
corlandashiva - 12/07/2003 16:27:58 - matthew_siddall@hotmail.com
I saved these from here a while ago:
Subject: realm script for alabrax l0rdshaper - 03/03/2003 13:32:28 - l0rdshaper@hotmail.com
i was asked last friday to do list my realm script
translation, so i went about trying to find away for
everyone to do it.
you'll need: your exalted core book the dragon blooded book the making of cd (recomended) a piece of paper pen or pencil and a ruler
start off by making a chart that should be 6 coloms and 19 rows. leave the first tile (the spot that is in the first row and first coloumn) blank. fill in the rest of the first row with the five vowels a, e, i, o, u. in the first coloumn, in the tile below the blank one, place a dot. below that tile, fill in the remainding tiles in that column with the following consenants: b, k, ch, d, f, g, h, l, m, n, p, r, s, t, v, x, y.
it should look kinda like this:
===a==e==i==o==u==\\ * |\\ b |\\ k |\\ ch|\\ d |\\ f |\\
and so on till y.
each of the remaining tiles should be numbered, but leave space to draw the actual realm script character in the box. the first five boxes are for vowels only, and should be labled 1 trough 5, the ba, be, bi, bo, bu boxes should be labled 6 through 10, and so on. there should be ninety boxes.
before we start i should point some things out. the realm script is made up of phonyms, vowel consenant pairs, and the five vowels. there is no c, only a k, and there is a ch (and its possible that words with sh would use ch characters). there is no z, but instead an x. not all of this will become explicitly clear with the instructions below, UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MAKING OF CD. for those of you that don't, just know that verification can be found on the cd.
now, pull out your exalted core book. i'm going to break down each word presented, tell you how its constructed phonetically, and then give you the corresponding box/tile number for that symbol. you can then fill that symbol in the box and you'll have that phonim letter. numbers in () mean that its the first time that symbol is used, if you see a number with out parentheses then you don't have to fill it in any more. double parens (()) means that that symbol justifies the line your filling it in, meaning that that sumbol proves that evey thing within that row is part of the "k" or "s" group. triple parens ((())) means that with that symbol, you should have completed the row.
here goes.
turn to the first page of the introduction (the first page with text). down the left side margin is the word "exalted", on the opposite page is the word "introduction", you can also find the word exalted on the spine of the book.
E-XA-LA-TE-DE ((2))-((81))-((41))-((72))-((22))
fill those tiles in
I-TO-RO-DU-KU-TI-O-NO (3)-(74)-((64))-(25)-((15))-(73)-(4)-((54))
fill those in. now turn to the first page of text in chapter one. you should see "exalted" down the left margin again, and on the opposite page instead of "introduction" you should see "chapter". subsequent chapters will give you some idea of the numbering system.
CHA-PE-TE-RE ((16))-((56))-72-(62)
fill those in. i hope this is starting to make sense, because now i'm going to speed things up. now turn to the realm section of the settings chapter, specifically to the dynastic houses description, more script here.
VE-NE-E-FE ((76))-(52)-2-((27))
RA-GA-RA (61)-((31))-61
SI-NA-SI ((68))-(51)-68
KA-TAHA-KA (11)-(71)((36))-11
notice how "th" is handled. its much different in claw speak.
NA-LE-LE-NA-SE 51-(42)-42-51-(67)
MENE-MO-NO ((47))52-(49)-54
SE-SU-SU 67-(70)-70
I-SE-LE-SI 3-67-42-68
the first time we see a word who's characters we already have!
LE-DAlA-LA 42-(21)-(1)-41
PA-LE-PA-SE 56-42-56-67
now, this is all you can do with your core book, lets turn to the dragon blooded book, i'll start a new post for that, please don't post till i'm finished.
Subject: Realm Script? corlandashiva - 12/07/2003 16:29:06 - matthew_siddall@hotmail.com
Subject: realm script for alabrax l0rdshaper - 03/03/2003 14:08:56 - l0rdshaper@hotmail.com
okay, get out your dragon blooded book.
notice down the spine, or in the left margin of the left of any left page, below the word exalted (which you got from the core book) is the word "dragon blooded"
DA-RA-GO-NO-BO-LO-O-DE-DE 21-61-(34)-54-((9))-(44)-4-22-22
from this point forward, the rest of the symols can be found on the map in the dragon blooded book, i'll give the city name, its phonetic spelling, and then the corresponding tile number.
eagles launch
E-A-GA-LE-SE 2-1-31-42-67
eye of creation E-YE 2-((87))
O-FO 4-(29)
KE-RE-A-TI-O-NO (12)-62-1-73-4-54
notice how "of" is handled, its quite different in claw speak.
bright obelisk
BI-RI-TE (8)-(63)-72
O-BE-LI-SI-KI 4-(7)-(43)-68-(13)
traiter
TA-RA-I-TE-RE 71-61-3-72-62
lords crossing
LO-RO-DO-SO 44-64-(24)-(((69)))
KO-RO-SO-I-NO-GI (((14)))-64-69-3-54-(33)
you should now have comleted the "s" and "k" rows!
arjuf
A-RA-GU-FU 1-61-(35)-(30)
i wish i could edit on this forum. i forgot to mention, there is no "j", only a "g". woops.
the heptagram
HE-PE-DETA-GA-RA-MA (37)-(57)-22 71-31-61-(46)
portee
PO-RO-TE-E (59)-62-72-2
tuchara
TU-CHA-RA (((75)))-16-61
you should now have completed the "t" row, joy!
nichimo
NI-CHI-MO (53)-(17)-49
chanos
CHA-NO-SO 16-54-69
imperial city
I-ME-PE-DERI-A-LA 3-47-57-22 63-1-41
SI-TE 68-72
sion
SI-O-NO 68-4-54
noble
NO-BO-LE 54-9-42
and thats it!
thats all you get from the books. you should have 1-4, 7- 9, 11-17, 21-22, 24-25, 27, 29-31, 33-37, 41-44, 46-49, 51- 54, 56-59, 61-64, 66, 68-70, 71-75, 77, 81, and 87.
IF YOU HAVE THE MAKING OF CD there is a section where they flip through the art bible, it shows the first age letters (which are basically myan, they are pictagrams and near impossible to replicate from the cd) and a chart (exactly what you created) with the realm script. this is how i can independantly verify what i just presented. i could make out the following from the cd:
5, 6, 10, 18-20, 23, 26-28, 32, 40, 50, 55, 60, 76, 78, 80, 82, 83-85, 86, 88-90.
thes ones that i don't have or couldn't make out.
38-39, 45, 48, 58, 65, 67
from the book, total:58 from the cd, total:25 total known: 83 missing, total:7
that means that you'll get about 64% of the characters from the two books. you'll get an additional 28% from the cd. thats 92% known, and about 8% unknown.
NOTE*- if you have the lunars book, the whole thing is done in claw speak, except for the spine, which has the lunars writen in realm script. unfortunately, i can't make out the symbol, and have yet to go back trought the cd to match it up.
well folks, enjoy, i'll post my notes on claw speak a little later.
-L
Subject: Realm Script? corlandashiva - 12/07/2003 16:31:05 - matthew_siddall@hotmail.com
and lastly:
Subject: realm script for alabrax l0rdshaper - 03/03/2003 16:00:49 - l0rdshaper@hotmail.com
just noticed that i only gave you the eagle from eagles launch
LA-A-NA-CHA 41-1-51-16
that shouldn't have screwed anything up though, you would have already had those symbols.
-L
Subject: realm script for alabrax
l0rdshaper - 03/04/2003 11:10:08 - l0rdshaper@hotmail.com
arg, just noticed some other things, and that we should be doing this on the other thread, oh well.
i'm quite sure that "of" is O-VU, not O-VO. look at how the V is conjigated again. i stared at all of the "of" examples for quite some time.
secondly. there is no "z" its an "x". or they are just inter changeable. i'd still go with "x" because its more versitile. it can be used for both sounds. also, "exalted" is pronounced eks-al-ted, and is written
E-__A-LA-TE-DE
so i would guess that in both the case of realm script and claw speak, thats an "x".
-L
Subject: Realm Script?
fourwillows - 12/08/2003 15:01:22
It's possible that they're applying a system used in the Mayan syllabary, which I've heard called the "Principle of Synharmony".
The principle is this: If two adjacent consonant/vowel glyphs have the same vowel, one of the vowels is not spoken.
So, if you're trying to say for instance "Nancy", you write it: na-na-si, and the second 'a' is elided.
Subject: Realm Script?
wordman - 01/16/04 18:33:22
This system is very similar to Katakana, the writing used in Japan to write foreign words. Japanese is based on time, where each "sound" is spoken for the same length of time. Non-Japanese words do not usually do this. Take something like the English word "teeth". It has three sounds a "te" sound a long "ee" sound and a "th" sound. In Katakana, it would be more like te-ee-fu (there is no "th" sound in Japanese). In the writing, the first character would be the te character and the last would be the fu symbol. The long ee sound is more complicated. To illustrate holding the long e sound, a horiontal line is used to mean "hold the vowel sound of the last character for a beat".
I would like to thank Colin Chapman for laboriously copying the images of the Imperial Script from the video to get these images. He was the one that created the following image files...
http://webpages.charter.net/Wocky/2ndAgeImperial1.jpg\\ http://webpages.charter.net/Wocky/2ndAgeImperial2.jpg\\ http://webpages.charter.net/Wocky/2ndAgeImperial3.jpg\\ \\ -Alabrax
