Talk:Heru/SomeNewGods

This is actually pretty nice, but I have 2 questions.

You channged gaian quite alot from what has been published. Why? What is this "Breaking"?

Why dind you ditch Vanileth? -Azurelight

• Not long ago I discovered FrivYeti's Wyldfarer concept and decided to go with it. Its like Exalted meets space, and I really really liked it. Of course I went off on my own tangent based on the Inner Circle.
• The Breaking of the World and the Sundering of Yu-Shan are events that saw Creation go from a singular landmass into one million tiny pieces spread out. The Wyld exists between them. These are the gods of the Realm of Lookshemeru.
• Well, he wasn't located around the area of Lookshy so the Realm where this takes part in didn't have him. Thus, to fill in the gap they promoted somebody to his posistion. Vanileth could be alive in another Realm making things or not. - Heru

Ahhh, Wyldspan. I have reda it all. then thing s make alot more sense. But you dint explain why your Gaia is so wierd. As I told you on the WW forum, I want to hear your motivation. - Azurelight

• This goes back to my concept of fluff. Gaia as a Primordial, god or weird ass bug has no effect on the game. She doesn't use her powers and so it has no rule effect.
• With that said, I never liked the concept of her being the imbodiment of Creation and a Primordial. I always thought that Creation was an artifact made by the Primordials. I like that concept, I figured it sounds better than Creation being some Primordial. So the Primordials got together made Creation and empowered its spirit to power. Thus Gaia awakened. More powerful than most Primordials but under the control of the Gods. My motivation is that I don't like it the way it is and figured that if I could come up with idea that works, well I might as well. -Heru

Works. I was just curious, becaues int X1, Creation was an artifact, Brought into Existenceby Gaia and Cytheria, the mother of Creation. Gaia was not it's embodiment. Second edition is a bit more uncertain on the matter, but I have only seen one passage tha actually says Gaia=Creation aand I chose to ignore it as another result of the fact that exalted authors do not communicate, since I to like the concept of creation as an artifact. I my Game, Gaia is its weilder, and of course, attuned to it, as one must be to all artifacts.

Just curious though, what motivation (or authority), did Gaia have in staying the hand of the Incarna, when they wantd to to kill ALL Primos Except Autochton, if she wasn't one of them?

BTW, sorry for being harsh in my previous posts. That's what happenf when I post at 03:00 AM -Azurelight

Comments in reponse to Azurelight.

• About what was Creation, they kept on switching. First artifact, then Gaia, than Cytheria, then something else. In the Authothocoan book they mention Creation being Gaia. Its in the story chapter, but nontheless its there. I don't like such controversy and such thousand-and-one opinions on what is Creation, and thus I answered the fact. It was made easier because in many myths, Gaia is Earth, and so it wasn't very hard to make Gaia Earth in this one.
• I like the concept of the artifact needing a wielder, so I am going to use it. :) Maybe that is why the Primordials placed Gaia under the command of the Unconquered Sun, they made him the wielder of the artifact. He is attuned to it permanently. Its a perfect effect.
• She is kinda a Primordial, at least because she was imbued with a little bit of power from all of them she could be considered one. She also has a greater depth of knoweldge about them that only they themselves know. The way I figure it, she new something, something about Primordials that made her decide that killing them all was a bad thing. I don't ascribe to the concept that one needs Primrodials for the abilities in Creation, but maybe it was something else. Maybe she knew that somebody a threat could face Creation, and she knew that Primordials were needed. Really, this comes down to 'I don't Know' and all mysterious like answer. Very epic in scope was her reason, thought.
• I understand what your saying, and I dont't feel like its bad. I enjoy this discussion, its very thought provoking and informative. I love talking about the thinks I like, and I like Exalted. So its all good. :) --Heru

Well, ok here goes:

• When saying "story chapters, what do you mean? Do you mean the scenario chapter? I that case I simply may have chosen to ignore it, since they have been stated by thir developer as "non-canon". That said, I woulden't even say that they kept switchin, they never realy stated anything. And my idea, which i knew your read on the WW forum, is as non cannon as yours, so its all cool

Now thaT I think about it, your gaia is, for most intents and purposes, A primodial, so I dont think she needs motr moyivtions for her actions then those stated in second ed core.

Also, asn a food for thought. I am not sure your gaia needs ti have weilder. Your description makes int sound more like an automaton. Maby the loom is its program?

Now I am going to be a bit nitpicky. I am the first to admitt¨ tha creations nature was never clear. However, I have never seen it stated tha it actually was Cytheria, just that she was th orgin there of. -Azurelight

Yeah, the scenario chapter. It was very entertaining, but not entirely what I want. I have ignored it, :), that's why I made my own version of what Gaia and Creation is. Actually, one of her motivations is that the Unconquered Sun is her handler. So, since he is rebelling she gots to go with it. :)

The actual back story of what Gaia is is not really explained in detail. Hell, we don't have that much information on that period. So really, we are filling in blanks not changing whats written. Saying, for example, that their was no Primordial War is a lot bigger change than saying Gaia is an massive artifact.

The Unconquered Sun is not so much as her wielder, but more of her focus. Since he embodies perfection and glory, he is over her to try and push her to gain those aspects. It doesn't really work, but it is a way for her to be controlled.

Concepts have grown beyond their origonal point. Lets say a book says something about Cytheria, one line. Fans read that line and expand upon it in their mind. New people come to the game and learn things from the other people. I have seen this time and time again on the White Wolf Forums. So, I think that is what happened here. But I don't like it and thus I am not going to use it. Creation was made by all the Primordials because they are all brilliant and smart and powerful.

Anyway, that is the reasoning behind my decision to make Creation an Primordial-crafted artifact and Gaia is the spirit of the thing. In fact, just like a sword has a spirit, so does Creation. And the Creation-spirit has more power than most of the Primordials. -Heru