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=== Comments and Appreciations ===
 
=== Comments and Appreciations ===
Hey Charlequin, I added this chart to the [[Backgrounds]] page because I wish I had found it months ago.  I won't let the other folks down! --UncleChu
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Hey Charlequin, I added this chart to the [[Backgrounds]] page because I wish I had found it months ago.  I won't let the other folks down! --[[UncleChu]]
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Ooo, shinything! Thanks to the both of you! <br> -- [[Darloth]]

Revision as of 08:06, 5 April 2010

Manacle and Coin Adjusted Cost Chart

This is an adjusted table of costs in Resources, Jade and Silver coinage, intended to replace the chart in Manacle and Coin. That chart seems to be based on inaccurate assumptions about the value of the coins involved. I've chosen that chart to revise because the rest of the chapter is fairly consistent in its definitions -- the values of coins listed on page 107 line up effectively with the Resources conversion chart on page 122, for example.

The chart I present here adjusts the cost and resources values of most items from the original chart, as well as adding additional gradations and new items in several places to make the chart more authoritative.

These costs are based on several factors:

  • The general relationship between costs in the Manacle and Coin chart. While these costs are generally inaccurate, I tried to maintain the overall relative expense of various items, except when dictated otherwise by other concerns.
  • The rules for Resources on page 325 of the core book. By these standards, items should go up an order of magnitude, typically, between Resources ratings. In addition, an item with a given Resources should represent a serious purchase for someone with an equal rating -- probably occupying a significant portion of their monthly (or even seasonal) income.
  • The need for all units of money. Manacle and Coin seems to indicate that every denomination described within the book is at least theoretically useful in some circumstance, so I've attempted to adjust the chart to reflect this.
  • Common sense. The Resources rules in the corebook were intended to be a quick and dirty solution on an extremely grainy scale. They don't really scale properly to include peasants, since even basic items like an ox are far, far beyond a peasant's income. Many items would properly be Resources X, since a peasant could afford them as a significant monthly expense and anyone with a "real" job could buy them out-of-pocket.
  • Later information. Some of these costs are refactored to fit with later information. For example, some of the Everyday Wonders are reduced in price, given the relative ease of producing them with thaumaturgy and their relative commonality.

A basic chart of potential cost ranges for each Resources rating:

Resources X: Anything up to about 2 koku

Resources •: Anywhere from 2 koku (about a week's income) to 2 obols (a month's income)
Resources ••: Anywhere from 2 obols (about a week's income) to 1 mina (a month's income)
Resources •••: Anywhere from 1 mina (about a week's income) to 4 minae (a month's income)
Resources ••••: Anywhere from 4 minae (about a week's income) to 4 bars (a month's income)
Resources •••••: Anywhere from 4 bars (about a week's income) to 4 talents (a season's income)

Some objects will cost more than the listed minimums, if they are considered a large investment. For example, houses and land tend to exceed these maximums, since one is likely to devote a significantly larger portion of one's income towards buying one.

While it's not specified as such in the book, this revised chart assumes that all prices are urban -- the prices you would pay in the Imperial City or Nexus for such items. In a smaller city, cut the prices of common goods and services by a quarter to a third. In villages and rural areas, reduce the cost of locally available goods (clothes, food, animals, etc.) by a half to two-thirds; however, double, triple, or more the costs of luxuries and other imported goods.

For items like weapons and armor, this chart also assumes that the items being purchased are of fine quality -- made with solid, careful craftsmanship. For basic or poor workmanship, reduce the prices by as much as one half. For exceptional weapons and armor, double the listed price.

All silver prices provided are given as a strict conversion from Jade standard prices, given the current conversion rate of 1 Jade Talent = 5 Silver Talents (page 119). This works out to 1 obol = 7.8125 dinars, which puts the value of a dinar at just over that of a koku. It also provides for some very pleasant conversions.

Sustenance

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
A week of gruel for a family			X		1 siu		1/16 dinar
A week of basic food for a family		X		2 siu		1/8 dinar
A week of meat for a family			X		3 siu		3/16 dinar
A week of fine food for a family		•		4 koku		4 dinars
A week of excellent food for a family		••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars
A barrel of beer				•		3 koku		3 dinars 
A crate of tea					•		5 koku		5 dinars 
A cask of wine (poor)				•		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars 
A cask of wine (fine)				••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
A cask of wine (vintage)			•••		1 mina		125 dinars 

Room and Board

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
A bed in a poor hostel (nightly)		X		2 koku		2 dinars 
A room at an inn (nightly)			•		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars
A room at a fine inn (nightly)			••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars 
A room at a noble inn (nightly)			•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
A single room in a city (monthly)		•		3 koku		3 dinars 
A comfortable apartment in a city (monthly)	••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
A nice apartment in a city (monthly)		•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
A posh apartment in a city (monthly)		••••		6 minae		750 dinars 
A meal at a poor establishment			X		1 siu		1/16 dinar 
A meal at an inn				•		2 koku		2 dinars 
A meal at a fine inn				•		6 koku		6 dinars 
A meal at a noble inn				••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 

Clothing and Jewelry

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Peasant Clothes					X		4 yen		1/256 dinar 
Fine Clothes					•		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars 
Fancy Clothes					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Courtly Clothes					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Royal Rainment					••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Noble Jewelry					•••		3 minae		375 dinars 
Regal Jewelry					••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 
Imperial Jewelry				•••••		6 bars		6000 dinars 

Slaves and Animals

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Unskilled Slave					••		6 obols		46 7/8 dinars 
Skilled Slave					••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Concubine					•••		2 minae		250 dinars 
Slave keep (annual)				•		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Small pet					X		3 siu		1/32 dinar 
Small farm animal				X		4 quian		1/16 dinar 
Large farm animal				•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Poor horse					•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Fine camel/horse				••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
Elephant or mammoth				•••		5 shekels	312 1/2 dinars 
Horse fodder (monthly)				•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Elephant fodder (monthly)			••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Work horse stabling (weekly)			•		6 koku		6 dinars 
Fine horse stabling (weekly)			••		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars 

Ships and Property

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Buy an estate					••••		1 talent	8000 dinars 
Build a peasant house				•		1 shekel	62 1/2 dinars 
Build country or town house			••••		10 bars		10000 dinars 
Staff a country villa or townhouse		•••		2 minae		250 dinars 
Furnish tounhouse or villa (spartan)		•••		3 shekels	187 1/2 dinars 
Furnish townhouse or villa (posh)		••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Build a grand palace				•••••		3 talents	24000 dinars 
Staff a grand palace (monthly)			••••		5 minae		625 dinars 
Furnish a grand palace (spartan)		••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 
Furnish a grand palace (posh)			•••••		1 talent	8000 dinars 
Lavish feast for two dozen			•••		3 minae		375 dinars 
Grand banquet for 200				••••		12 minae	1500 dinars 
Erect a Manse (* to ***)			••••		1 talent	8000 dinars 
Erect a Manse (**** to *****)			•••••		4 talents	32000 dinars 
Passage across the Inland Sea			••		1 shekel	62.5 dinars 
Buy a yacht or ship				••••		4 bars		4000 dinars 
Crew and provender a ship (monthly)		••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Crew and provender a yacht (monthly)		•••		2 minae		250 dinars 
Rent a mercenary company (monthly)		••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Rent a crack mercenary company (monthly)	••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 

Realm Expenses

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Commission (field command)			•••		4 minae		500 dinars 
Commission (legion command)			••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 
Donatives to become imperial prefect		••••		4 bars		4000 dinars 
Donatives to become imperial satrap		•••••		1 talent	8000 dinars 
Donatives to get into a good school		•••		4 minae		500 dinars 
Raise a new legion				•••••		1 talent	8000 dinars 
Keep a legion armed, fed (annually)		••••		3 bars		3000 dinars 

Weapons

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Chopping Sword					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Great Sword					•••		3 shekels	187 1/2 dinars 
Knife						X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Short Sword 					•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Slashing Sword					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Straight Sword					••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars 
Axe						•		4 koku		4 dinars 
[[ClubCharlequin/ManacleAndCoinRevisedChart/Staff]]					•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Great Axe					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Hammer						•		4 koku		4 dinars 
Mace						•		6 koku		6 dinars 
Poleaxe						••		1 shekel	62 1/2 dinars 
Sledge						••		5 obols		39 1/16 dinars 
Lance						•		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars 
Short Spear					•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Spear						•		6 koku		6 dinars 
Cestus						•		4 koku		4 dinars 
Fighting Gauntlet				•		1 obol		7 13/16 dinars 
Khatar						••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
Tiger Claws					••		6 obols		46 7/8 dinars 
Hook Sword					•••		3 shekels	187 1/2 dinars 
Seven-Section Staff				••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Wind-Fire Wheel					••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars 
Short Bow					•		4 koku		4 dinars 
Long Bow					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Composite Bow					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Chakram						X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Hatchet						•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Javelin						X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Throwing Baton					X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Throwing Knife					X		1 koku		1 dinar 

Armor

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Breastplate					••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
Buff Jacket					•		4 koku		4 dinars 
Chain Shirt					••		6 obols		46 7/8 dinars 
Chain Hauberk					•••		1 minae		125 dinars 
Lamellar					•••		3 shekels	187 1/2 dinars 
Reinforced Buff Jacket				••		5 obols		39 1/16 dinars 
(Concealed Plates)				••		7 obols		54 11/16 dinars 
Articulated Plate				••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 
Plate-and-Chain					•••		4 minae		500 dinars 
Reinforced Breastplate				•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Chain Swathing					•••		4 minae		500 dinars 
Superheavy Plate				••••		3 bars		3000 dinars 

Helmets and Shields

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
Masked Helm					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Pot Helm					••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars 
Slotted Helm					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Buckler						•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Target Shield					••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
Tower Shield					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 

Everyday Wonders

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
	
Premade prayer papers				•		2 koku		2 dinars 
Special prayer papers				••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars 
Small animal sacrifices				•		4 koku		4 dinars 
Large animal sacrifices				••		4 obols		31 1/2 dinars 
Burning incense					•••		1 mina		125 dinars 
Seven Bounties Paste				•••		2 minae		250 dinars 
Sweet Cordial					••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Found luck talisman				X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Found disease talisman				X		1 koku		1 dinar 
Found warding charm				•		3 koku		3 dinars 
Created warding charm				••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars 
Created good luck charm				••		4 obols		31 1/4 dinars 
Created walkaway				•••		1 mina		125 dinars 

Lesser and Greater Wonders

Item						Resources	Jade		Silver
	
Collar of Dawn's Cleansing Light		•••		4 minae		500 dinars 
Dragon Tear Tiara				••••		1 bar		1000 dinars 
Daiklave					••••		4 bars		4000 dinars 
Grand Daiklave					•••••		2 talents	16000 dinars 
Hearthstone Amulet				•••		3 minae		375 dinars 
Hearthstone Bracers				••••		2 bars		2000 dinars 
Mask						••••		4 bars		4000 dinars

Comments and Appreciations

Hey Charlequin, I added this chart to the Backgrounds page because I wish I had found it months ago. I won't let the other folks down! --UncleChu

Ooo, shinything! Thanks to the both of you!
-- Darloth