Thus Spake Zargrabowski/SanctityOfGameWorld
g_c_grabowski
>> However, in order for the player's achievments to be meanigful, there must be rules of the world that cannot be broken. There must be certain chapes, patterns and definitions that cannot be changed by the players. The heavens are far beyond the reach of even the mightest PCs. The Yozis will always be there. The Wyld cannot be defeated. If the player can break any rule, overcome any obstacle, surpass any power, then the achivements of the players are meanigless. Likie playing a game with no rules, it ceases to be a game at all.
No, you can slay the Yozis... but they will become something lesser and still as wicked. Now it's an evil you don't know. What now? You can undo the Malfeans and send them off into Oblivion... but your world will cease to contain history, because there is no inexorable weight of entropy. What now? No, you can gack the Celestial Incarna and take their -- and crown yourself King of Everything... but you're addicted to their stupid game and you might as well just choose your minions and warriors with the fact they're going to overthrow you and take your place in mind. Good luck defending creation against the armies of the wyld.
Don't set the limits so low. Don't be constrained by convention. why do you have to say they can't conquer the gods, just make them deal with what comes after that. The game setting is finite, which means that yes, you can conquer it all. I think your only problem might be the Unconquered Sun, because I suspect he really is a priori invulnerable and invincible, but clearly he couldn't do the Primordials solo so there's hope there.
It was the intention of the game that you could play til you were godawful godly and then finish the epic of the murder of the primordials by undoing the great curse or succumbing to it and destroying the world.
Does it have to be that way? Heck no. Run it without so many extras, make mortal heroes with full health levels common. Make it be about the tawdry wars of men armed with mail and blades in the ruins of a vast and glorious past. Ask anyone who's used the mortal combat rules, Exalted is a grim game of suffering and septic injuries. Just be like "no, you can't have Soul Mirror" during chargen and don't give it to them during play and it can be as gritty as you want.
The way you play doesn't lessen you unless it's unenjoyable for the participants. I'm backed up by the Supreme Court on this. =)
Geoffrey C. Grabowski\\ Exalted Developer, WWGS\\ raindog@white-wolf.com
