Nekomimi-Maiden/DiscussionswithHatewheel

Hatewheel on Impossible (Attribute) Improvement and Lunar-Alchemical Comparison [except where he devolves into assuming I want Lunars to trump Solars rather than not be consistently outdone by the [as per MoEP: Alchemicals] "weakest celestial exalted"

(5:47:04 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: So did the errata team feel Impossible Attribute Improvement was working as intended, when doing DotFA? Just wondering
(6:40:57 AM) hatewheel: What's wrong with it?
(6:44:32 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: Just feels pathetic compared to Alchemicals' equivalent on account of 1) being Essence 5, Att 5, three prerequisite charms to their Att 1, Ess 1, no prerequisites 2) being 40xp to gain the ability to spend 15xp to raise a favored stat to 6 [at Ess 5] 3) In conjunction with DBT and DOE? The Ess 5 Lunar can match an Ess 5 Alchemical's physical stats [only; they have no DBT/DOE to make up the +2 in mental and social the Alchemical can get] for... 5m, 187xp. to the Alchemical's 3m, 90xp.
(6:46:04 AM) hatewheel: So there's nothing wrong with it, but Alchemicals have a better attribute bonus Charm.
(6:46:14 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: It's also kind of annoying in practice. Much like Flawless Attribute FOcus You spend EXP to take a charm which ... just lets you spend more EXP in an abnormal way and has no effect of its' own. And unlike FAF, it's not a relatively trivial 3xp to gain the benefits of it.
(6:52:40 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: Basically, in comparison to IAI, 4th Aug disregards both stated tenets of Alchemical charm design: "Where they are more efficient than Creation's chosen (lower motes, lower XP cost), they are generally less powerful, and where they meet or exceed the might of the other celestials (free dots, more easily acquired dots), they are normally less cost efficient." Bits in parentheses added by me to identify how it reads to me.
(6:55:03 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: Basically, it was a mediocre charm before 4th Augmentation: Okay, if I really want to blow all that nontrivial amount of 55 EXP, I can have +1 stat, all the time, that noone else can match
(6:55:27 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: [Solar] *spends 3m on increasing strength exercise*
(6:55:31 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: Except for Solars because Solars win at everything but hey at least mine's mote-free even if it's 5x the unfavored EXP.
(6:59:27 AM) hatewheel: so your point seems to be you hate Solars and Alchemicals
(7:00:29 AM) ***Nekomimi Maiden shrugs. "I'm fine with them except when they stomp on Lunar turf and go "hur hur am better than you". But okay. Just was wondering if it was a deliberate 'we think this works fine even though it's 5.5x as expensive for a Lunar as an Alchemical' or just an accidental oversight or something to be included in Lunar Errata instead of DotFA errata [since IAI was in DotFA]"
(7:04:34 AM) hatewheel: Solars are better than Lunars. Ever read the corebook?
(7:05:10 AM) Nekomimi Maiden: I'm fine with the Solars here. I was making a joke. My problem is with the alchemicals doing it.
(7:05:17 AM) hatewheel: Your inability to actually look at a Charm effect and reason out why there's some sort of difference makes it hard to care about your complaints. Way too little attempted understanding.