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Quicksilver Body</b>

<b>Prerequisite Gifts: Lightning Speed, Beastial Reflexes

The Lunar's movements seem to flow like quicksilver, granting him the ability to act with blinding speed. The Lunar's multiple action penalties now no longer rise after the initial penalty is assigned. If the initial multiple action penalty exceeds the Lunar's Essence, the first X actions do not increase in penalty, where X is the Lunar's Essence, after which the penalty immediately reverts to its "normal" value. So, if the Lunar took four actions in a turn and had 3 Essence, the attacks would be at -4, -4, -4, -7. If the Lunar makes a full dodge or full parry, a number of the rolls equal to his Essence are at full dice pool, after which the pools diminish as normal - so a Lunar with 3 Essence would make a full dodge at -0, -0, -0, -1, etc. In addition to the Gift prerequisites, a character must have at least 3 Essence to take this Gift.

Horrific Feral Celerity</b>

<b>Prerequisite Gifts: Quicksilver Body

The Lunar now becomes capable of moving with the quickness of Luna enraged. The character may take two normal actions each turn (this is mechanically identical to the Gem of Perfect Mobility, CB:D p.77). This gift replaces the effects of Quicksilver Body. In addition to the Gift prerequisites, a character must have at least 4 Essence to take this Gift.

Hun and Po as One</b>

<b>Prerequisite Gifts: Horrific Feral Celerity

The Lunar gains such control of his own nature that, when endangered, his two souls work as one to direct his body. While in combat, the Lunar gains one extra Independent Action on his initiative. This Gift does stack with Horrific Feral Celerity </i>and<i> Quicksilver Body, but does not function in situations where the Lunar is not actively endangered unless the Lunar first spends a Willpower (which activates the Gift for one scene). In addition to the Gift prerequisites, a character must have at least 6 Essence to take this Gift.

Internal Mastery</b>

<b>Prerequisite Gifts: Any two Gifts

The power granted by the Deadly Beastman Transformation doesn't have to be purely physical. Some animals are dangerous for more reasons than simply their strength or speed. When the Lunar takes this Gift with a purchase of Deadly Beastman (which may not be his first purchase), he gains no Attribute points from it. Instead, he may take two Gifts in addition to Internal Mastery, neither of which can directly increase any Physical Attribute.

Comments

I'm really not sure whether or not these Gifts are OK in terms of power-level. I just sort of thought, hey, if you just keep moving faster and faster, eventually you're going to be so fast you get more than one action per turn. I was originally thinking of something similar as maybe a 5/4 Solar Athletics Charm, but this seemed to make more sense. Anyway, I'm open to convincing on this one. The addition of just one more prerequisite Gift to HFC would make it require at least 4 Essence, but something in me wants a starting Lunar to be able to do this. - SMK

They definitely look overpowered for a starting Lunar, but I could see them working with an Essence requirement; the given DBT gifts are pretty weak for high-essence Lunars (horrifying might's +1 attribute point is a joke if you're taking your 10th DBT, after all.) Quicksilver Body is something I could see an Essence 4/4th DBT being, with HFC being an Essence 5 or 6-requiring Gift. Full-on extra actions are considered pretty high-tier, and that's when they're *not* compatible with extra action charms. - Miedvied

Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how exactly to work the second gift. I might strike that little clause about Extra Action Charms. And you're probably right, it should have its own Essence requirement, at least 4. You really think Quicksilver Body is that hideously powerful, though? Maybe I should throw in some little quirk concerning its interaction with Gift of Hands et al.? - SMK

Well, Quicksilver Body is obscenely powerful. Even with an Ess. 4 requirement, I'd put a cap on it, something like the character's first X actions get that penalty cap, where X is the lunar's permanent essence. Because, frankly, I can *easily* write up a *starting* lunar with Dexterity 10, take coiled cobra stance, knock 10 off my init, get +10 dice on all my pools (for 5 motes), and end up with my base pool again - *and 10 actions*. If I have that hearthstone that grants me an independant extra action, I can do the same to that - for 20 actions a round, at the cost of 5 committed motes of essence. We're talking starting Lunar here. So, yeah, this one is seriously overpowered. It needs a built-in cap and/or an Essence requirement. Preferably both. I'd let HFC stand as it does, with an Ess 5-6 requirement. I wouldn't replace Quicksilver Body, though; I'd let the character get the benefits of both. I just think the benefits should come at an appropriately high-xp point in the character development. - Miedvied

Hmm. I've been trying to keep this from getting that extreme. How about the above changes? I'm also not sure HFC really needs an Essence 5 requirement. The way it is, you can only have it at Essence 4 if you take no Gifts other than its prereqs. I'm looking for HFC to be significantly inferior to the CMoS Form, so I'm looking for it to have a significantly lowered Essence requirement. I'm also thinking of a Gift after it that does require six Essence and give the character one extra independent action per turn (and stacks with HFC, for true nastiness). Also, I don't know what I was thinking with that Extra Action qualifier. It has been removed. - SMK\\

As for Coiled Cobra Stance, it has seven (yes, that's SEVEN) prerequisite Charms, so a starting character can't realistically have it, and it can't be used on split dice pools.

The fixed Quicksilver Body works. You don't need the Wits/Dex requirement (no other Gift has such a thing); the Essence requirement is enough, and it doesn't look mechanically broken at all. HFC still needs an Ess. 5 requirement. First, do not compare it to CMoS - Sidereal-level Martial Arts (and Martial Arts as a whole) are their own shtick and operate by their own rules and should not be used to adjudicate Lunar charms. They have nothing to do with one another. What we do know is that Extra Independant Actions are considered very high potency. If you insist on going with something like that, without the high Essence requirement, you should limit what actions it can be applied to - for instance, that one extra action can *only* be used for a full parry/dodge, and one doesn't get it on rounds they use Extra Action charms. And while CCS has seven prereqs, it's still within the grasp of a starting character - obviously one that's focused on brawling. Even if it were not, you can see the potential for abuse that I pointed out. It *can* be used on split dice pools - just not on the round that it's activated. Its duration is indefinite so long as one doesn't fall back to a defense, so one is only limited from splitting their pools for a single round.

Ok, that's one down then. As for HFC, the comparison to CMoS was in terms of Essence requirements. I see independent actions as a high-Essence effect, and extra actions as a much more accessible effect.

The problem being, naturally, that CMoS will still have odd Essence requirements, as it's a Sidereal MA, and all Sidereal charm have an Essence requirement not-quite-in-tune with the power they provide. And it's an MA, which usually has its own wierdnesses in the Essence-to-power department. Miedvied

Also, "a character cannot split his dice pool in a turn when he uses the Coiled Cobra Stance," Lunars, p. 137. That's "uses," not "activates," and "a turn" not "the turn." I'd say that any turn during which the character benefits from the Charm he's using it (though obviously there's no definite answer from the wording). And really, the more I read it, the more I don't think its effect persists past a single attack: "... a Lunar... can ready a devastating blow</i>, timing <i>that blow</i> with deadly precision." (emphasis added) The "Variable" duration raises some questions, of course. <bitch>This is an example of the poor Lunar Charm design. Lunar Charms, especially combat Charms besides DBT, blow, with some Charms actually being just more expensive and less efficient ways of doing exactly the same thing as their prerequisites.</bitch>

Of course, there is such poor phrasing all throughout the book. However, so far as mechanics go, I tend to lean in two directions - a) The way the charm actually describes the mechanics, rather than the flavor text, and b) whichever interpretation is more powerful (given that this is <i>Exalted and the developer himself has said that the proper way for any ST to adjudicate a charm is whichever way is most advantageous to the PC's without fucking up the game.) So, naturally, when the mechanics list a "variable" duration and the only listed ways of ending the charm are falling back on a defense or failing to attack... those are the only ways I read of ending the charm. Not to mention, as you said, it's got seven prereqs. Most pinnacle charms have only five or six; so the more advantageous reading in this instance is *really* not out of place at all. Also, I don't read "use" as "gaining the benefits of" - we know specifically what using a charm is; paying out the essence and activating it. Gaining the continued benefits of a Charm with essence committed to it is not using it; it sort of sits at odds with the way rules have handled persistents all along. Miedvied