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After seeing a bunch of debates about how Solars got nerfed. Not sure about this, and we won't really know until the other splats come out). Any, things are way better than they were in first edtion, so no complaints. This is a list of the odd restrictions I saw in Solar charms. Now in first edition, these types of things were harbingers of powercreep, now, I'm wondering if they represent a new direction for mechanics.

I use the following general principals when evaluationg charms.

1)Combat charms should be usefull without a combo, or be really good: This is partly due to the fact that DV isn't really sufficient protection. An equal enemy can get past it just by rolling above average. Given the fact that weapon damage is now quite high, this is a bad thing. Thus, you usually need to reserve your charm for defence. Thus offensive charms need to make up for this.

2) Most non-scene lenght charms should be combo-ok: Anything that isn't should be very powerful. Similary, combo-basic charms should be quite powerful.

3)Charms generally shouldn't be Obvious: Solar are the most human, so their charms should mostly look, well, human. There are obvious exceptions to this, but generally, a charm that just has you do a human action really well shoudn't be obvious. I mean obvious as in: Obvious it's a charm, not Obvious that something happened. This applied fairly inconsistently in the text. In some cases, it seems like Obvious refers to the fact that the charachter must take an action to use the charm, even though the action is one a normal human could attempt. Fury-Inciting Presence is oddity, althoug Immanent Solar Glory is the worst offender.

4)Really specialized charms should be really good: Basicly, a charm that only matters in really specialized or rare situations should not have silly restrictions on it's use.

Archery:

Flashing Vengance Draw: Would be fine, except for being combo-basic, which makes no sense. If your gonna buy a charm this specialized, it should just work. It's pretty much the same as Striking Cobra Technique, but weaker and with a minor side effect. Fix: change to Combo-Ok

Martial Arts

Thunder Clap Rush Attack: Should be Supplemental, rather than Simple. Speed 3 isn't all that fast, so the only really utility of this charm is to combo with Hammer on Iron. Which gives you a speed 3,-0 flurry for 6m + 2 willpower. You could do the same thing by having jade bracers, a speed 4 weapon, 5BS and Iron Whirlwind. And you wouldn't need a combo! Fix: change to Supplemental.

Fists of Iron:Wow is this a speedbump. Wasting your charm on this is just asking to be smacked. You don't even get to have the bonus all turn, making it worse than One Weapon, Two Blow! I would just make this a Permanent charm.

Sledgehammer Fist Punch: Would be balanced as is, except for the fact that it is obvious, which weakens it alot. Fix: Make the obvious part optional

Solar Hero Form: A hung form of Hungry Tiger. And you can block lethal without a stunt. wow. Fix: I'd let you also do lethal damage with your fists and make your un-armed attacks piercing.

Shockwave Attack: This pretty cool, till you realize it can't be combo'd. This reduces your pinnacle charm to a cute way to take out mooks, as using it around a real opponent is asking to be smacked. Fix: +Combo-Ok

Serpentine Evasion:Rather pointless, as for 4 motes you invoke the Third Excellency and get +3 DV, and it's invoked later. Fix: Either make it last till next action, or make it add MA to DV vs 1 attack. I favor the first one.

Melee - Yes, there are some

One Weapon, Two Blows: Still a speed bump, still there. This violates rule 1. The only real use of this charm is to put in a combo to gain a slight savings on excellency invokation. But even then. Fix:each mote spent adds 1 to accuracy and rate. Max motes spent == Essence.

Call the Blade: For some reason, this isn't Combo-Ok. Honestly, I think this is a bug, especially as it's successor is Fix: add Combo-Ok

Bulwark Stance: Good defence charm, except for being combo-basic for some reason. WTF?!? This is probably a bug. Fix: +Combo-Ok

Ready in Eight Directions Stance: Again, combo-basic? WTF? I suspect the meaning of that keyword changed at some point. It's also slighly odd that all counterattacks are obvious. Fix: +Combo-OK, I would also remove obvious from this and Solar Counterattack. It should depend on what you did, perhaps you just saved an attack?

Glorious Solar Saber: Is there any point to summonig paired blades with this charm, as it already has unlimited rate. Unless you get to define the stats of each blade seperatly, which would be usefull.

Thrown

Call the Blade: Same wackyness as the melee version. Copy and paste error Fix: Same as the melee version

Presence:

Underling Promoting Touch, Worshipfull Lackey Aquisition: Both of these will never be used, as their mote costs are large, and committed for a long period of time. This cost is totally out of proportion to the effect achieved. I suspect this is an unintended side effect. Fix: change duration to instant, or just add a note that motes are not committed.

Irresistable Salesman Spirit: Arg, more combo-basic. What's up with that? Especially given that extra successes don't matter in social combat, so it doesn't even make much sense. Fix: Change to Combo-Ok.

Resistance

Whirlwind Armor Donning Prana: Spending a number of actions equal to your armors mobility penalty will get you killed really quickly. This tree is addressed as a unit, so see below

Hauberk-Lightening Gesture: This has the problem that you can't don the armor quickly without using the previous charm

Armored Scouts Invigoration: 3m per penalty reduction is a bit much. This entire tree suffers from the problem that it looks like you'd need to combo these charms for them to be usefull. Requiring a combo is awful expensive for what they do. This charm is also rather high in the tree for it's function.

Stephenls on rpg.net suggested that a particular reading of Hauberk-Lightening Gesture indicates that banishing your armor ElseWhere does not count as removing it. If this were true, one could keep it's mobility penalty reduced to 0 with Armored-Scouts Invigoration, cancel the commit to HLG, and use Whirlwind Armor-Donning Prana to don your armor in single speed 6, -1 action. This is kinda usefull, but I'd still change WADP to a speed 3 charm.

Unbreakable Warriors Mastery: Nice idea, but the problem is that you have to use it when the effect hits, it requires a roll, and it has a large cost. In fact, it cost more than pretty much any charm that has a crippling effect! It even cost more than perfect defences! So to completely stop something you would need a combo with some damage negating charm and 2 willpower! Fix: either drop the willpower cost(to 3 motes), or allow it be invoked at any time to cancel an ongoing crippling effect. I lean toward the second, which is usefull, but the high cost balances it.

Adamant Skint Technique:Unfortunatly, Iron Skin Concentration makes this almost useless, as it's deeper in the tree and cost more. It's also highly expensive for some reason. Fix:Change cost to 2 motes, like ISC. This is fine, as it has the limitation of only stopping damage anyway, no to mention the flaws thing. Alternate: leave cost at 4 motes and allow it to negate the attack totally.

Durabiity of Oak Meditation:It's hard to think of a case where you would want to use this. You could just use Iron Skin Concentration for one mote less. And opponents who can't get above 8 base damage shouldn't be hitting you anyway. This charm becomes obselete fairly quickly. Fix:Let it stack with hardness from other sources?

Lore

Power Awarding Prana: This charm is both useless AND broken. The target gets to learn Solar charms for 10 xp each! This is better than the rate for other Exalts! OTOH, they only have 15 essence to power them. Also, it's hard to see a case where commiting 15 Essence to this charm is usefull. Fix: I'd say each mote committed to this charm gives the target a pool of Essence motes. This makes it vaguely usefull. But really, trying to pump up mortals just isn't usefull. How usefull this is depends on how willing the ST is to let NPC's have xp.

Immanent Solar Glory:Seems ok, except for the odd restrictions on regaining the Essence. The regaining function isn't that usefull, as you'd get more back through respiration anyway. I mean, is +10 motes really all that broken? Fix: Remove the silly regain restriction. Remove the obvious keyword also, as it makes no sense.

Craft

Object Strenghtening Touch, Durabiltiy Enhancing Technique: These can't increase the difficulty to break something by more than your Essence. Which is such a small increase so as to be laughable. These charms are so specialized, they should at least be effective. Fix: You may always increase it by your essence, or double the successes/difficulty. whichever is more. Could use Craft also, but that still isn't much.

Crack Mending Technique: This isn't usefull as it has higher pre-reqs than CNNT, gives the same amount of speedup, costs more, AND is more limited(only fixing). And you still need tools(not sure. The text kinda implies you don't ). Fix: Make it actually instant. So that you do Essence x 3 hours of work in a round. It's still kinda limited in appicablity, but at least cool when you can figure out a situation to use it.

Investigation

Judges Ear Technique: This charm compells a target to tell the truth, while the previous one detects lies. Unfortunatly, it can be resisted by spending willpower, to a max of 3. This makes it pretty useless for interrogation. If you have them at your mercy enough that you can run them out of willpower, you can just use the previous charm. And resisting Unatural Mental Influence is only really a hardship for Solars, who gain limit from it. Fix: Not sure. Possibly increase the resistance cost to 2 willpower with a max of 6 per scene.

Awareness

Surprise Anticipation Method: This charms suffers from two problems. 1)The awareness 5 requirement is far to high, and makes extremly expensive to put in combo's compared to Reflex Sidestep. 2)It needs a combo to even be usefull! This should either not be charm use, or something. Fix: Not sure. I'd reduce the awareness requirment down to 1 at least. This gives it a small advantage over reflex sidestep.

Eye of the Unconquered Sun: This would be a reasonable charm, except for the fact that it causes total anima flare? Huh? That doesn't even make any sense. Fix: Remove the anima flare part and obvious keyword.

Comments

Interesting stuff. I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but it's a good start in the right direction. I should note that it's possible that Serpentine Evasion doesn't need a fix-- (1) it works on either parry _or_ dodge, so it has flexibility (especially important in a combo), and (2) It's a Celestial Martial Art Charm which, as I understand it, are canonically supposed to be slightly less powerful than Solar Charms now. -- IsawaBrian