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| − | This Style is under construction.
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| − | This Style was inspired by a character I originally wrote for the [[Lexicon]], [[Shataina/QuicksilverScribe|Quicksilver Scribe]]. It is intended for use by poets and can only be learned by poets; thus, it has a Crafts [Poetry] requirement for each Charm alongside its Martial Arts requirements. (It's worth noting that a fair number of games I've heard about use Linguistics as the "poetry Ability" rather than giving it a separate Craft; if this is the case in your games, replace the Crafts [Poetry] requirement with an equivalent Linguistics requirement.)
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| − | === Background ===
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| − | Quicksilver Scribe, a Lunar poet-sorceress, invented this style in the First Age so that she could more fully explore the ways in which pure sound and poetry could be used in battle. It was not widely taught; not only was it too esoteric, but its requirements were too difficult to meet for most students -- your average poet isn't that interested in learning the martial arts, and your average martial artist is probably not going to spend years learning how to write and appreciate poetry just to master a new style. Furthermore, Quicksilver Scribe gained a wicked reputation later in her life for making deals with creatures best not named and dabbling in things even the Exalted were not meant to understand; there were whispers that part of this style was influenced by her unholy knowledge, prompting some to avoid it merely for that reason. Quicksilver Scribe herself had other obsessions and little time for students, so she only taught the style to a small portion of the willing before her death.
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| − | Her greatest student, another Lunar Exalt, survived into the current Age, but as with most ancient Lunars, he remained in the shadows, staying out of current world events. Current Lunar society is not conducive to this style -- most Lunars view it with disgust, considering it too reliant on a soft, civilized pursuit -- and the Solars were, of course, all gone, so through the long centuries he kept what he knew to himself. Quicksilver Scribe was reborn recently and sought him out, but he did not have time to teach her any of the magical techniques before his untimely death. Thus, there may well be nobody left alive who knows this style. Quicksilver Scribe's current incarnation is seeking anyone who might; she also vaguely recalls writing out a treatise on the various techniques in her first life; but whether there are any teachers or copies of her treatise left remains to be seen.
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| − | === Training ===
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| − | This is not a style for dabblers. The Sound-Mesh Style's training emphasizes meditation on and awareness of the beauty and power in sound and words. Its students learn poetry that they may understand this, and the martial arts that they may understand how to relate it to physicality and utilize it while fighting. Training is extremely obsessive and focused, requiring the student to spend days at a time alone and contemplating poetry while interweaving and blending the discipline with the martial arts until she can literally be described as "poetry in motion" -- not merely in terms of grace, harmony and balance; in fact, the users of this style frequently end up tracing calligraphy in the air with their limbs. Some of the more spectacular Charms display glowing runes or bright displays of language upon the air or the bodies of the fighters and their adversaries.
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| − | This Style is generally offensive, and practitioners are advised to have something to fall back on (Dodge Charms, etc) if they'd like to be able to competently defend themselves. The focuses (reference: [[MoMartialArts|Morpheus's Martial Arts guidelines]]) for this Style are Breaking, Harmonic Weaponry (two slots), and Silence (probably). The Sound-Mesh Stylist has an easier time breaking objects, for she senses the disharmony of their weaknesses; and moving quietly, for she senses where sound potentially lies and moves to avoid it. (See below for Harmonic Weaponry.) Note that my choosing of these focuses means that, under the rules I play with, Sound-Mesh Stylists <b>cannot</b> block using their Martial Arts, and this is best kept in mind when reading these Charms.
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| − | Novices are taught that nothing is holier than harmony and rhythm, and shown how to concentrate on these in order to lull and enchant others. In a sharp reversal, adepts are initiated into the knowledge that disharmony and free-flowing irrythmic verse are also powerful, and this grants them the ability to deafen, confuse, and internally wound their enemies with dissonance. The master of this style understands that the greatest of poems can be expressed in a single sentence, a single word, or even in silence: she has gained the knowledge of how access those harmonics beyond our ears, magical and otherwise. She can destroy with soundlessness and drive men mad with silence. Little-known, dying rumours suggest that there actually exist one or two pinnacle Charms beyond the ones known to belong to this style, but what those Charms are capable of, no one knows.
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| − | === Weapons and Armour ===
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| − | Normal weapons cannot be used with this Style; however, weapons may be crafted that can be used with it. In such a case, the weapon's type is irrelevant, save that it must be made in such a way that it harmonizes with its wielder and with the world. This does not necessarily mean that it produces sound, although the vast majority of such weapons do, including all such mundane weapons. Examples would include a sword that sings in counterpoint to its wielder's chanting; arrows crafted in such a way that, when fired, they hum with different chords based on what angle they were fired at, what their speed is, and what kind of feathers they are fletched with; or magical fans that, when opened, gently chime to align themselves with the harmonics of the area and their bearer, and thereafter are totally silent. Mundane weapons crafted for this Style are rendered unusable for the stylist if they are somehow muted.
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| − | This Style is not compatible with armour.
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| − | Muting a character that uses this Style does not constitute disarming them. However, if for some reason a character using this style is immersed in some sort of "zone of silence" and is unable to produce sound in <b>any</b> way, then she will be unable to invoke any of these Charms unless she has entirely mastered the Style -- in that case, she may still invoke all of its Charms normally.
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| − | === Charm Tree ===
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| − | <pre>
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| − | Enchantment Enchantment Enchantment
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| − | Bridge Decision-
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| − | Dissonance Dissonance Dissonance
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| − | Silence / Silence /
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| − | Pinnacle Charm
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| − | Secret Technique #1
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| − | </pre>
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| − | === Charms ===
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| − | :'''''Initial Charm'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' 3 motes ?
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' One action
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Simple
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' None
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| − | Practicing her breathing exercises and arranging herself in the first posture of the Sound-Mesh Style, the Stylist meditates upon the nature of sound and breathes deeply of the poetry of the universe. Sinking into a pleasant trance, she finds herself in tune with the music of nature. She may add her Essence in dice to a roll to perform or quickly improvise a poem, or to any appropriate Martial Arts roll; note that she is in a quiet, easily broken meditational trance, so Martial Arts rolls intended for combat are explicitly inappropriate, as are the vast majority of strainingly physical Martial Arts rolls.
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| − | :'''''#2'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Supplemental ?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 2
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' Initial Charm
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| − | This Charm lulls the target into becoming sleepy somehow.
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| − | :'''''Harmony in Opposition Stance'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' X motes
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' One Scene
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Simple ?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 1?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 2?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 1
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' Initial Charm
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| − | The Stylist sets herself in observation of one person, and gives herself a vantage from which to oppose him. She sounds him out with a quick and subtle poem, watching his reaction with her mind, and executes the Listening Kata, watching his reaction with her body. When she has finished, she has harmonized herself with him; she understands both his psyche and his body to a surprising, intuitive extent. She may add her Essence in dice to all combat rolls against the target upon whom she invoked this Charm, and to her Initiative when taking actions against him; she may also add her Essence in dice to poetry performance or imrovisation rolls "aimed" at him. (The latter effect explicitly stacks with Initial Charm.) Furthermore, she may choose to inflict either bashing or lethal damage on each damage roll against the target. The Stylist may not be harmonized with more than one target at once.
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| − | :'''''Resonant Reverberation'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Type:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 2?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 2?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 2
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' #2, Harmony in Opposition Stance (note: this contradicts the current tree diagram, above)
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| − | This Charm invokes emotions that must be overcome with Willpower expenditure.
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| − | :'''''#5'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Type:''' ?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 3?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 2?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 2
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' #4
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| − | This Charm forces the target to make a decision based purely on instinct and reflex. The forcing will not last long and the target will come back to herself relatively quickly.
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| − | :'''''Sound-Mesh Form'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' 6 motes
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' One scene
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Simple
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 3?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 3?
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 2
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' #5
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| − | The Stylist recaptures the simple stance of Initial Charm, but its complexity is vastly increased because of her now-complete understanding of pure harmony and her beginning flirtation with dissonance. She falls into a very light trance and reflects the music of nature in her movements; it is beautiful, and it evokes from all who see it the recognition and love of that which they believe in most. Attackers must roll their highest Virtue and fail in order to attack the character without penalty; if they succeed, (effects). There is no way to "force fail" this roll; a character may not, for example, spend Willpower to fail. (Attackers with a tied highest Virtue roll whichever Virtue is most important to them; in Exalted, this is always the Limit Break Virtue, if applicable. Note that Exalted still do not roll their Limit Break Virtue if they have a higher Virtue; they roll the higher Virtue instead.)
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| − | Furthermore, when attacking, the Stylist may choose to inflict either bashing or lethal damage, sensing the weaknesses and strengths of the thing that she fights with. She may also choose how many of her damage successes she applies of any given damage roll (so, for example, if Quicksilver Scribe rolls 5 dice of damage and gets 3 successes, she may choose to inflict anywhere from 0 - 3 health levels upon her opponent). She slips into the rhythm of the world and the rhythm of the battle, and may add her Essence to her Initiative.
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| − | Once a Stylist has mastered the Sound-Mesh Style, this Form gains this additional effect ....
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| − | This is a Celestial Martial Arts Form-type Charm. It is incompatible with other Form-type Charms.
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| − | === Post-Style Secret Techniques ===
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| − | Both of these secret techniques are intended for games in which it is difficult (to put it mildly) to learn True Names, even of simple concepts or objects. To learn the True Name of something like a Deathlord would be an example of what I consider a fitting epic five-thousand-year hardcore quest.
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| − | :'''''Secret Technique #1'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' X motes, 1 Willpower
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' Instant
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Reflexive
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 5
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| − | ::'''Minimum Martial Arts:''' 5
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' Pinnacle Charm
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| − | The Stylist understands that language does not merely imitate and influence reality; now, she knows that language <b>is</b> reality. She calls out the True Name of what she wants and informs it that the harmony of the universe is dependent upon its absence -- and it disappears. <b>The Stylist must know the True Name of the object she wishes to banish in order to use this Charm, and knowledge of this Charm does not confer knowledge of any given True Name.</b> This condition is not complex for common, mundane items: for example, in order to banish a sword, the Stylist must merely ("merely"!) know the True Word for "sword". However, it becomes steadily more complex when affecting complex items: for example, in order to banish a common, mass-produced red jade daiklave, the Stylist must not only know the True Word for "daiklave", but probably also for things like "red", "jade", and "Essence-channeling". Extremely complex items of power almost never have a True Name that is merely constructed from "lesser" True Names, but rather their own personal True Name.
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| − | It's conceivable that a living being might be banishable by this means, but the True Names of such are famously difficult to figure out or learn (not that learning the True Name of <b>anything</b> is exactly a walk in the park), and it is theorized that the True Names of extremely powerful beings (e.g. powerful deities, high-Essence Exalted) become so complex that it is impossible to know them ... then again, they say that nothing is impossible. It's also conceivable that things like abstract concepts might be banishable by this means, but abstract concepts are, of course, at least as ridiculously difficult to Name as a living being, and their Names get <b>more</b> complex as they get more general, rather than less.
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| − | Banishing unique objects (or concepts, or whatever) requires the expenditure of a permanent rather than a temporary Willpower point.
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| − | The Stylist must be in the presence of the object she wishes to banish in order to do so. Using this Charm banishes all objects that may be governed by the True Name she has used. The range of this Charm is explicitly left up to the Storyteller.
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| − | :'''''Secret Technique #2'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' X motes, 1 Willpower
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| − | ::'''Duration:''' Instant
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| − | ::'''Type:''' Reflexive
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 6
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| − | ::'''Minimum Essence:''' 6
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' Secret Technique #1
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| − | The Stylist builds on her mastery of Secret Technique #1 to learn the principles behind the existence of a thing. She invokes the True Name of an object, and thereby invokes the object. <b>The Stylist must know the True Name of the object she wishes to banish in order to use this Charm, and knowledge of this Charm does not confer knowledge of any given True Name. Furthermore, the Stylist must have previously banished the object of a given True Name in order to summon it.</b> In the case of uncomplex objects, as with Secret Technique #1, this is easy enough: for example, once the Stylist has banished any sword, she may at any later time invoke a sword, and she need only know the True Word "Sword" in order to do so.
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| − | This Charm may explicitly be used to recall items that were banished by means of Secret Technique #1.
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| − | Unless otherwise specified in their Name, objects summoned by means of this Charm are always made of brass. Even if specified otherwise, a summoned thing will have an undeniably brassy quality -- perhaps a sheen or a ringing tone. Even things previously banished that have been "recalled" will have gained this brassy quality upon their return.
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| − | Summoning unique objects (or concepts, or whatever) requires the expenditure of a permanent rather than a temporary Willpower point. <b>This permanent Willpower point is considered "committed" for the duration of the thing's existence; the character may buy it back with experience, but it is removed from her maximum Willpower score until the object is utterly destroyed or banished.</b> So, for example, if Quicksilver Scribe expends a permanent Willpower point to summon Mask of Winters back after having banished him, then she loses a Willpower from her permanent score, and she may not raise her Willpower past 9 with experience unless Mask of Winters is utterly destroyed or banished again. Unique objects may explicitly be summoned more than once.
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| − | This Style sounds awesome!! Need any assistance with charms? After reading this I got a whole mess of Ideas for charms of this Style. - [[Issaru]] <i>Thinks the Quantum Physics geek in him is showing.</i>
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| − | <Wants to help, too!> Wicked nifty! ^_^ As for the linguistics thing, craft poetry is, IMHO (being a linguist and such), the better choice for a co-req ability. Linguistics, while it does inform one's ability to produce Language, is not ultimately concerned with poetry. Craft poetry, representing the practical skills of assembling verse using the tools of rhyme, meter, and symbolism, is.<br>What do you have in mind for a total number of charms, [[Shataina|S]]? Any particular whacky ones you want? Also, what do you want for the Form charm? Let me know, as this has really caught my imagination! ^_^ -[[Suzume]]
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| − | :<grin> And here I thought that not putting these edits on RecentChanges would keep this page a secret. Oh well! I'm glad you guys like what I've got; I mostly didn't publicize it because I figured no one would care.<br>Okay. So, to start with, I'm going to want these Charms to be slightly more powerful than normal Martial Arts Charms, because they have two prerequisites instead of one. I think this is also justified by the few Charms we have with multiple prerequisite Ability totals (World Within A Picture Style -- I think that's what it's called? -- comes to mind.) That's going to be one of the up sides of actually bothering to learn this Style. I'm really not very good at Charm balance in general (although I can recognize egregiousness when I see it); [[Morpheus]] will heavily inform my work in this regard (especially since I see him all the time), which is not to say that your comments on balance aren't welcome. I'm sure I'll need them!<br>I would absolutely <b>love</b> ideas for Charms. The skeleton Training notes I have above reflect the ideas that I have so far -- those ideas are very formless. I'm thinking that the initial Charm will aid in performance and improvised poetry, probably something along the lines of adding dice to a single performance attempt, although I'm not married to this (I just figured it might be the best idea for the initial Charm since it's both weak and defining, as per [[/MACreationGuide|RSB's general guidelines]]).<br>The Charms immediately after this will be along the lines of "enchant and lull" -- probably one that makes the target sleepy, probably one that inspires emotion, etc. Then we get into "dissonance", which the Adept starts to understand after harmonics; I'm thinking this will give rise to Charms that multiply damage (the target is rent from inside by dissonance), Charms that confuse and disturb people, and one Charm that has an effect along the lines of "Force Decision" -- it gets you to do something, but only by acting on your reflexes and basic instincts with sound (this will probably be the "bridge" Charm between harmony and dissonance).<br>Probably, the Form will be either there (and will involve something like the user being able to walk in harmony or disharmony as she chooses -- God only knows what that will mean -- probably at least letting her choose lethal or bashing) or I will wait until I get into the Master techniques and put the Form there (thereby creating a slightly more powerful but harder-to-get Form, along the lines of [[/BitterFlowerStyle|willows's Bitter Flower Style]]). I like the second option because I think that way the Form might express the Style better, but on the other hand it'll be harder to balance against other Forms, and it's probably not such a good idea in terms of balancing the Style as a whole. So, in the end I'll probably go with the first option.<br>Okay. So then after those dissonance Charms we get into the Master techniques, which are going to be the really abstract and postmodern ones. These depend on simplicity and silence. This is where the madness effects go, and I'm figuring at least one Charm that like ... makes the target fall apart because they have neither harmony nor disharmony and there's nothing holding them together ... or something. And I have to have a Charm called "Impending Silence" because that's just cool.<br>I don't really care that much about total number of Charms, although I would prefer that the Charm tree be symmetrical because, umm, just because. I tried to draw up a Charm tree for this some time ago and it ended up around 12 Charms, but that was probably because I was modelling it on the Elemental Styles. I definitely want to go through these three stages, though, and I also want there to eventually be a couple of "secret" Charms at the end that do egregious things -- something like conjuration effects through the power of sound (Quicksilver Scribe summons a web of enchanted bronze runes to entangle her enemies), etc. These will, by the way, be the ones that Quicksilver Scribe particularly used illegal sorcerous effects with and made some evil bargains for, although I figure she probably worked with the Weaver of Voices to develop this entire Style. :)<br>I should note a couple changes I've made to the above description -- I discussed focuses a little bit (this is based on one of Morpheus's systems) and I also noted that this is a mainly offensive style. I'm not saying that there won't be any defensive Charms, and I'm also not saying that poetry / whatever can't be used to defend, but First Age Quicksilver Scribe developed it, and she was kind of an "offensive", direct person at the time.<br>Wow this is a long comment. On to specific responses. [[Issaru]] -- physics geeks rule, and I still would love your input, but I should note that I'd generally prefer to avoid "scientific" kinds of Charms and focus on the esoteric, mystical effects of sound and poetry as related to the Martial Arts. However, I don't care if a Charm is scientifically accurate as long as it works the other way too.<br>[[Suzume]] -- I definitely agree with you on the poetry thing -- Linguistics isn't really that relevant to poetry at all. It's kind of set out to be the poetry Ability in the Core, though, and I can understand from a game balance point of view why some gaming groups would prefer to have Linguistics be the poetry Ability (because then they're not screwing themselves by taking an Ability that's almost entirely useless in the average game).<br>Thank you both! I look forward to your ideas.<br>~ [[Shataina]]<br>PS: Added an initial idea for a Charm tree.
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| − | ::No problem I love working on.....everything (I'm such a whore for Exalted, especially crunch). my Ideas will be on [[Issaru/MadRamblings|this]] page. - [[Issaru]]
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| − | Have you ever heard of the throat-singers of Tuva? (Tuva is a little region in Asian Siberia.) The throat-singers have trained themselves to amplify or mute (even to the point of deleting) portions of the normal harmonic range of the human voice (and apparently, at least to some degree, with certain instruments that rely on the human oral cavity to form their sound chamber, the best example of which is a sort of mouth-harp), to the point where they produce eerie, inhuman-sounding songs, complete with lyrics. Some of these singers are able to harmonize with themselves, even, as they separate the sounds produced into much more widely divided bands of formants. Also particularly interesting is a phenomenon where the singer will delete all formants except the first (the lowest), rendering his voice into something that sounds like a diggery-do (I know I've misspelled that; help, anyone who knows the correct spelling...), low and buzzing and haunted. Or when he will delete everything but the top one or two formants, turning his voice into a high-pitched whistle or buzz, the sort of sound one might expect from a hunting lure, or the like.<br>The point of all this, is that the singer must undergo years of intense training to be considered competent, very like learning a martial art. The similarity just sort of struck me. ^_^ Also, this sort of information might serve as a source of ideas for effects for the charms in the style. For example, in a more mystic sense, the martial artist deletes the mystic portions of her voice that reinforce some harmonious aspect of the target, causing that aspect to collapse or reverse or something. Or the reinforcement of some aspect of the voice affects the mind of the target, forcing her to make a decision (a la the pre-form charm you mentioned).<br>Other ideas include forcing the target to utilize one of her virtues in place of an ability or attribute in some roll (like a dodge, attack or the like) as the words of the martial artist incite some emotion or other. The idea of the monk reciting utterly potent limmericks forcing her target to use temperance instead of dodge in a dodge attempt is just too good... ^_^ <br>One other thing: Why not two form charms, one a lesser, one a greater, or some such? Having the greater form just before the ultimate technique would seem to be a good place, although anywhere in the upper tree seems like it would be a good too.<br>Just some thoughts. -[[Suzume]] <i>ps. Issaru started to comment while I was still writing. ^_^ Isn' it great when ya get this kinda lovin'?</i>
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| − | :Wow, that's incredibly cool. I've never heard of them! They sound like such a science fictiony concept! Thank you so much for the reference ... I will now learn about them with a vengeance. Do you know of anyplace that I can find recordings of these marvelous people? (Also, I believe it's didgeridoo ... <checks> Yes it is, although dictionary.com notes that "didjeridoo" is also acceptable.)<br>I dunno about the forcing alternate rolls with Virtues thing. In terms of emotional incitement, I'm probably going to just have that effect be that you have to override your Virtues if the Stylist succeeds in evoking your emotions. The idea of forcing people to roll Virtues in place of another dice pool is interesting, though -- I'm just not convinced it's the best way to do that particular Charm. Any ideas for a more esoteric Charm that might work that way? Perhaps a dissonance Charm could do something like that ... maybe confusing a target into thinking one Virtue is appropriate rather than another (or something) ....<br>A lesser and a greater form? Now that's iconoclastic. Very cool! Although I guess it basically just translates an extra scene-long Charm with "Form" in the title, which would mean that you couldn't invoke the two of them at once ... hmm. Maybe I'll have the Form itself be one Charm that gains an extra effect once you master the Style, so that you have a lesser Form that everyone who knows the Form knows, and then a greater Form that only the Master can execute. What do you think?<br>~ [[Shataina]]<br>PS: mm ... tasty lovin' ....
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| − | ::The album (and eponymous movie) <i>Ghengis Blues</i> is somewhat related (has a couple of the traditional songs, at least), being a record of a blues singer that went to Tuva one year to compete in an annual throat-singing contest (blues singers sometimes accomplish some of the same effects, albeit rarely and never quite so dramatically, through the use of "creaky voice"). Otherwise, just try googling with "Tuva", "throat singing" or the like. It is kind of <nowiki>SciFi-ish</nowiki>, isn't it? ^_^ One of the dissonance charms would be just fine, for the Virtue-switching thing. I'm interested to see what you have in mind for the decision-forcer, though. ^^<br><Merrily romps around, tossing the icons from their niches and from the iconostasis, and then clasting them.> ^_^ Seriously, though, the stepped Form sounds like a good way to introduce the concept. If I come up with anything else, of course, it'll come straight here. -[[Suzume]] (<i>PS. Lovin' is <b>ALWAYS</b> best tasty! ^_^ </i>)
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| − | :::Thanks again.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | I just had this weird idea for a charm mechanic which is truly evil and yet strangely interesting, and I thought I'd leave it here incase you'd like to pilfer it for a dissonance based charm. Some sort of probably simple, maybe supplemental charm that instead of doing normal damage, if it penetrates soak (and it must penetrate, not ping) then it takes off ALL of the health levels with the same modifier. For balance reasons, this should probably not work on -2 or -4 levels, although if you felt like it then it could. Anyway, just a thought. It would be very harmful towards sidereals, and certainly interesting... it would work least well on people who spread out their health levels. <br> -- [[Darloth]]
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| − | :This sounds similar to an idea I had for one of the effects of the Form -- that the Stylist could choose to apply as many of the damage successes she rolled as she pleased (e.g. Quicksilver Scribe rolls 8 damage successes and may then apply anywhere from 0 to 8 health levels of damage, or some such). I'm having a hard time articulating why I think that works, though -- do you have any ideas why you figured your effect would be appropriate for this style? Or do you think it's totally different? (Mm, tasty flavour text ...)<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | :Umm... honestly not sure, it just seemed like a really interesting effect that made me think of resonance. And then I came across your style. <br> -- [[Darloth]]
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| − | Starting to put up some base Charm ideas. I should note that I don't have regular Internet access, so I'm probably going to be kind of spotty about updating this.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | Minor edits to some skeleton Charms; new Secret Technique ideas.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | :A range limit on the banishment of abstracts/pervasives for the secret charms might be a good idea, even at the power level you described there. It might be a little bit of an unfounded limitation, concept-wise, but for the purposes of game mechanics and play, preventing the utter--if as-yet theoretical--banishment of, say, <b>love</b> or <b>food</b> from Creation <i>in toto</i>. Whereas, by only banishing it from one spot of--relatively--limited area would allow the user to summon the zone of that... whatever, somewhere else, perhaps creating an area over flowing with <b>joy</b> where there was none before, even if it <b>IS</b> at the expense of robbing that joy from somewhere else. This also seems to be in keeping with the spirit of the backstory you created for the style. -[[Suzume]] (BTW: I thought that the whole point was that the Deathlords and their Abyssals didn't <b>have</b> any actual names anymore. They use titles to identify the remaining scraps of their existence, but their names were swallowed by the Void.)
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| − | ::Added a note in the description that specifies that abstract concepts become more general as they expand rather than less (e.g., it's still incredibly difficult to figure out the True Name for "love between two specific people", and then it becomes more complex when it's "love between a man and a woman", even more so when it's "love between people", etc). Also, I would consider the idea of banishing the entirety of a concept from Creation to be equivalent to banishing a Yozi, which means you have to learn the Yozi's true name first. Good luck with that.<br>Having whatever it is that's invoked come from somewhere else ... this is an awesome idea flavourwise, but I don't think it's necessary in terms of power, and I'd prefer these effects to resemble sorcery (which doesn't have to take the stuff it conjures from anywhere) for twisted reasons of my own that involve the theory of sorcery being an innately Malfean thing.<br>Well spotted on the Deathlord thing. I hadn't thought of that. I'd rule that they have to have a True Name in order to exist, but that their old one was eaten by the Void and their new one was invented by (and is in the keeping of) the Malfeans, which is what grants the Malfeans such control over them.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | :::I guess I had in mind more that the concept would be banished to, well, nothing, and that it would then be produced <i>ex nihilo</i> on use of the second secret, but that is mostly quibbling over an absolutely tiny point.<br>As for the Deathlords, what holds them isn't a name as such. I've always thought that they were essentially giving away the ability to even <i>have</i> a name, and so are reliant for their continued existence on entities that definitely do not have names anymore (the Malfeans), and on the meerest substitute for a name: a title. But that's my opinion, and is obviously not canon (by a few galaxy-widths, at least, authority-wise). If it works better to think of the Deathlords as having a secret <b>True Name</b>, by all means, that's the way to go. I'm just leery of effects, no matter what their source, that can alter the core fundamentals of the setting. On the other hand, I've been working with a friend to try and figure out a way to use material from <i>Time of Tumult</i> and other places for his players to eventually defeat Mask of Winters, so there you go. ^_^<br>Another thought: Banishing a randomly encountered sword with the word "sword" (or its appropriate mystical equivalent) might be easier than, say banishing a Daiklave with the appropriate words therefor, but it seems that it would be easier if one happened to know the Name of the specific sword. Perhaps allowing for some degree of chance in having an incomplete Name for the object to be banished, while slightly weakening the effect, would be a better way to go. It would also provide an even more sensible way to explain, for example, why it's so difficult to banish the Princess Magnificent with this charm. Essentially, it's possible, but one must find sufficient Name-age to use against her, and huge chunks of that are swallowed by the Nothing. (Yes, that's a <i>gratuitous</i> <i><b>The Neverending Story</b></i> reference ^_^ ) -[[Suzume]]
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| − | ::::If someone uses that Charm to alter huge chunks of the setting, it's their Storyteller's fault for making it too easy for them to learn the respective thing's True Name. As I said, I would consider learning a Deathlord's True Name to be a five thousand year quest ... that means that you are <b>not</b> going to accomplish it (at least, not in any game anyone I respect would run) unless the Storyteller intends you to and finds a way to hand you the True Name on some sort of metaphorical silver platter.<br>How about I say that using that banishing Charm on an unspecific True Name like "sword" just means that it works on all the swords "in range" (to be left up to the Storyteller) that aren't too complex? This both powers it down and up and means that a Stylist might have to think hard before using less specific Names. I would prefer to avoid involving rolls with the invocation of these Charms, and that's what would be necessary to make there be a chance of failure with a lesser Name.<br>I'm confused about your first point. I'd think that having these Charms conjure out of thin air would be more in line with that, not less.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | :::Since the Deathlords and Abyssals have their names devoured and made nonexistent, obviously to learn one you'll have to invoke the name back into existence with Secret Technique #2 and then somehow find out what it is. Learning the True Name's True Name is left as an exercise for the student. -[[Ben-San]]
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| − | ::::You can't do that with Secret Technique #2 because you have to have banished whatever you summon before you can summon it. :)<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | :::Gaaah. This reminds me of Earthdawn... learn this this and this name, and you can finally do this... which you were going to use to learn -this- name. <br> -- [[Darloth]] <i>actually -likes- earthdawn, honest</i>
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| − | ::::OMG!!! Another person who actually likes that game! - [[Issaru]] <i>hangs head in shame for admitting he liked ED</i>
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| − | :::::Never heard of it. Care to direct me someplace I can learn more? Or perhaps just tell me? <grin><br>~ [[Shataina]]
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| − | ::::::Ok...but i'm warning you: the rule set sux. Other than that I absolutly love ED and heres the link to living room games - http://www.lrgames.com/ (the "new" owners of the title, its original producer FASA died) - [[Issaru]]
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| − | This my attempt for the second charm on the tree. Tell me what you think. hope you can use it - [[Issaru]]
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| − | :'''''Sonorous Somnolence'''''
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| − | ::'''Cost:''' 4 motes plus 2 motes per target after the first
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| − | ::'''Minimum Crafts [Poetry]:''' 2
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| − | ::'''Prerequisite Charms:''' Initial Charm
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| − | By making a short poem, or sonnet the martial artist weaves the essence of inactivity, sleep and relaxation into her target(s). This Charm temporarily lulls the target(s) into a drowsy daze causing them to make easy mistakes. The target must make a willpower roll with a difficulty equal to the user of this charms charisma score. If this test is unsuccessful the target suffers a on success penalty on all rolls for the scene. This charm does not stack with itself. The user of this charm may affect more than one target with this effect by spending an additional cost of 2motes per additional target. This charm has a range of effect equal to {permanent Essence}10 yards.
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| − | :Thank you ... I'll have to revamp it, but definitely thanks. (Firstly, I'm not going to put rolls in this Style unless it's unavoidable, and secondly, I avoid Charms that use stats that aren't relevant to their theme.) I'll work on it later. Oh! And also thanks for posting this here rather than that other crossposty page. It is very accomodating of you. :)<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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