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| − | Running an Exalted game with the Infernals as the main adversaries, I've inevitably had to fill in a few mechanics from where WW left things delightfully vague. I've offered them up for communal use, but I don't mean to undermine the existing sets of Infernal mechanics, beautiful as they are. Indeed, I've drawn some inspiration from the great ideas already up here, and if you like my work please remember I'm just standing on shoulders - [[Ikselam]] and [[FourWillowsWeeping]], I couldn't have done it without your passive assistance. Thankyou, and enjoy!
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| − | == Concept ==
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| − | Infernals are something other than their Exalted kin. They don't possess the troubled heroism of the Solar Exalted, nor the deluded determination of the Abyssal Exalted. They are chosen from the ranks of the cruel, the licentious, the proud and the vicious, those who used their talents toward foul end. They serve a cause that seeks not greatness or final peace, but vengeance, pain and suffering. They use the divine fragments of the Solars at the peak of their debauchery, marred further by the manipulations of the Yozis. Their cause is one of revenge and spite. In other words, they are neither the heroes or antiheroes of their cousins, but villians, pure and simple.
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| − | The rules are intended to reflect this; more than just akuma that have accepted an unethical bargain, the Infernal Exalted are foul and corrupt to the core. Their Sins are the source of much of their power, but they are despicable in nature and force them to become protagonists. Their Charms despoil, distort and control rather than offer aggrandisement or finality. Their patrons respond to them in a matted web of love and hate that shapes the relationships they then form with others. Nothing about them is redeemable or worthy of respect, and this is the way they are intended.
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| − | == Mechanics ==
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Castes
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Backgrounds
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Artifacts
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Natures
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Sins
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Curse
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| − | * DBSInfernalExalted/Charms
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| − | ** Forsaken Caste Charms
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Archery
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Brawl
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/MartialArts
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Melee
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Thrown
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| − | ** Blasphemous Caste Charms
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Endurance
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Performance
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Presence
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Resistance
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Survival
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| − | ** Unclean Caste Charms
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Craft
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Investigation
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Lore
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Medicine
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Occult
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| − | ** Wretched Caste Charms
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Athletics
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Awareness
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Dodge
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Larceny
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Stealth
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| − | ** Deceiver Caste Charms
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Bureaucracy
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Linguistics
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Ride
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Sail
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| − | *** DBSInfernalExalted/Charms/Socialise
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| − | Back to DeathBySurfeit's page
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| − | == Feedback ==
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| − | I've had an idea. Unless you want the infernals to be -vastly- expensive, have the die-adders only kick in when the target -uses- that type of defense. Then you can supplementarily roll some more dice depending on how many you steal.<br>
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| − | This only applies to those that are linked to a defense... <br> -- [[Darloth]] <i>maybe thinks something should be tied to a parry defense, not just stealing melee? Just a thought</i>
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| − | The die stealing effects have been instead altered to restrict them to Instant-duration effects; hopefully this should suffice....DeathBySurfeit
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| − | I'm in love with this stuff! Great job so far. I like the flavor text on a lot of the charms as well. Keep up the good work. My only alteration would be to utilize Limit in some way, as Ikselam and Willows have both indicated an inclination for. I think it would add an interesting way of tying the whole idea of twisted virtues / sins even tighter to the arch-meta-concept of the Infenals that seems to be developing. Just a thought, and I'll be checking back frequently for updates and reference. I've already incorporated some of this material into an NPC for my game, so I'll let you know how it ultimately turns out. Thanks! -[[Suzume]]
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| − | Good to hear they're proving useful, Suzume, and I'm glad to hear you like them. Although I have tampered with Limit (in the form of the Great Curse), I have decided not to incorporate it into Charms (instead playing around with Virtues and Sins), as I had objections to the previous systems; that Infernals should get progressively more effective as they violate their natures before dropping down to extremely inefficient once more seemed quite bizarre, though not in a good way. Instead, I hope the existence of Sins and the Great Curse in its present form is an effective mechanism for encouraging villainous play (much like it is for Abyssals). Of course, I am open to suggestions...DeathBySurfeit
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| − | :My Infernals don't use the same Limit rules as Solars do; instead, when they Limit Break, they are broken out of their shells of corruption by the stresses of acting so inhuman. This is from my Limit page: "When an Infernal's Limit Breaks, his Limit does not reset to 0, nor does he gain Willpower from it. Instead, each turn he may 'burn' a single point of Limit into (permanent Essence) motes, which he must use that turn to fuel one or more Charms. An Infernal in the throes of a Limit Break act with genuine virtue; the Limit Break continues until he has spent each point of Limit." What this does is it basically makes you very good at accomplishing goals that you don't really want to accomplish, which I find very thematic for my take on them. - [[willows]]
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| − | Actually, the idea of Limit as a sort of supernatural form of "Stress" seems as if it would work quite appropriately in a Sins based system. Any time an Infernal suppresses the urges driving her, say to accomplish her current goal, she accumulates more of the warped and perverse energy that drives her psyche. The more frustrated she is, the greater the energy she can bring to bear to gain the ultimate revenge she seeks. In other words, the more she is forced to do good, the easier it becomes for her to do evil. Just one way of meta-explaining the connection.
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| − | All of that said, though, I AM intrigued by the dice-stealing concept. So I have, of course, been toying with ideas on how to combine the two... :)
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| − | -[[Suzume]]
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| − | Sorry, words didn't quite relay my intent on this. [[willows]], I consider your use of Limit to be an excellent reflection on your own take on the Infernal rules; it was my differing thematic outlook that bade me create my own rules set, and hence why I haven't implemented the Limit factor in my Charm mechanics. Secondary concerns are for careful balance (as Infernals could be potentially underpowered at times and overpowered at others), and also to accurately account for the nature of Sins - much as Virtues <i>cannot</i> be ignored by Solars, so Sins <i>cannot</i> be ignored by Infernals, as they will eventually succumb to them; it is only a matter of time.[[Suzume]], I heartily encourage such experimentation (and should it yield results, I would be happy to display them here), but hope my explanation above suffices for the present state of affairs...DeathBySurfeit
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| − | :In other words, what you meant to say was, "I don't think that Limit mechanics are thematic for my Infernals in the way that they are for the others," which I wholly agree with. Enjoy! - [[willows]]
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| − | :Aptly put. Hoorah for translators of late night posts! ...DeathBySurfeit
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| − | ::Fair 'nough. :) As soon as I have a chance to use this material in some depth, I'll let you know how it worked. -[[Suzume]] (And I understand the late night problem far too well!! ^^; )
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| − | :I've been thinking some more about Limit being an unbalancer. I have to agree, but must point out that this is no more a disruption--on a conceptual scale--of balance than effects that pull on Essence or Willpower or any other measurement that can change during play. It can over-power Infernals on occasion--and can leave tham without any power on others--if handled incorrectly. As for Sins and Virtues being un-ignorable, by virtue of the rules, they CAN be ignored... at a cost, and for a time. Eventually, the character in question will succumb to her vices or benificent qualities, but until then, they can accomplish a great deal (Otherwise there wouldn't be much point to playing the game). Of course, as you have said, Limit in this sense might not be the mechanism for your characters or your games, but I don't think that power-balance is as absolute a reason as it seems to be. -[[Suzume]]
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| − | <i><b>Scytheus:</b></i> I like, I like. If only the Wiki was more printer friendly. I'd like to incorporate an Infernal into my game one day.
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| − | :I am a bad man, for [http://ethos.kicks-ass.org/exalted/InfernalExcerpt.pdf various reasons]. (right click and save as) ~ <i>[[G]]</i>
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| − | :omigoshupwn! I can't cop out at the last minute when you all contribute in such funky ways. A bad man indeed, [[G]]...DeathBySurfeit
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| − | ::Well, I needed an excuse to learn InDesign...>.> ~ <i>[[G]]</i>
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