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 === Tick 6-9 ===
-No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings/[[GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
+No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
 === Tick 10 - Hero ===

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 === Tick 6-9 ===
-No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in [[RulingsTrialBySchmendrick/TerrestrialHeroVsFiveDragon/GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
+No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings/[[GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
 === Tick 10 - Hero ===

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 # Soak: n/a
 # Counterattacks: none
-# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using TonyC's suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
+# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using [[TonyC]]'s suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
 :H: <code>--|-----|----|-|-</code>, wp: 6/8, psnl: 12/0/12, prph: 15/16/32, DV plty: -1, Soak: 13B/12L/10A, Ch: 3/3/3/3, Next action: 10<br>
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 === Tick 6-9 ===
-No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings/GrappleTiming, we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
+No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in [[RulingsTrialBySchmendrick/TerrestrialHeroVsFiveDragon/GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
 === Tick 10 - Hero ===
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 *The clinch rules seem weird, but a closer examination seems to put the weight of the problem on the rules for Inactivity.  If we didn't have that strange, "The state ends as immediately as it began" wording, I think the entire situation would have been more clear.
 *Stunting repeated grapple contests is a pain in the ass.
-*TrialBySchmendrick might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
+*[[TrialBySchmendrick]] might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
 *Clinching is an ''incredibly'' powerful tactic in one-on-one battles.  If successful, it is basically unstoppable.
 *THS must be combined with a defensive package of some kind to be functional.  Five-Dragon is a fairly complete combat style in itself, but THS relies pretty much entirely on the "best defense is a good offense" logic when used alone.
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 === Observers ===
 == Initial Negotiations ==
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 Okay, now I'm screwed. - [[Hapushet]]
-Let's proceed using TonyC's suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
+Let's proceed using [[TonyC]]'s suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
 I'm having a strange sense of deja vu here.  Let's see if you manage two successes on your stunt dice, which would be enough to avoid history repeating itself... - [[Hapushet]]
-Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not GenCon, sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
+Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not [[GenCon]], sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
 [[Wordman]], do you want to finish this?  I hate to say it, but repeated grapple contests are boring the hell out of me.  Had I the slightest alternative that would actually get through your Hardness and soak without killing me, I'd take it, but at the moment, I'm pretty much burned out on this.   What do you think? - [[Hapushet]]
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 I suppose it's served its purpose. I probably should have just surrendered, but a) I was holding out to see what would happen when you ran out of willpower, but that now seems unlikely, b) because I'm not a fan of wussing out at the first sign of trouble and c) Schmendrick never surrenders, dammit! How about we just assume that Hero continued to crush Five to unconsciousness. I'm sort of curious about what happens after that. Does the audience get to find out who the "real" Schmendrick was? Or who the mysterious masters of this fight were? -- [[Wordman]]
-:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until TrialBySchmendrick itself comes to a close.
+:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until [[TrialBySchmendrick]] itself comes to a close.
 :Also, before I forget - my congratulations to an awesome opponent. - [[Hapushet]], ''happy to have had that, at least''
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 == Observer Comments ==
-Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - IanPrice
+Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - [[IanPrice]]
 Predictions anyone? - [[Wordman]]
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 :My survival is looking expectionally questionable. - [[Hapushet]]
-TonyC mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
+[[TonyC]] mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
 :We're holding the fight in hopes of getting a consensus asnwer, right? - [[Hapushet]]
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 Tick 15 stunt is way cool. Good work, Hapushet! - [[nikink]]
-:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - IanPrice
+:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - [[IanPrice]]
 :: Absolutely! - [[nikink]]
-On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - IanPrice
+On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - [[IanPrice]]
 :I started yet another Rulings page, [[Rulings/FlurriesInGrapples]], to examine the matter further. Regardless, it doesn't seem to have any bearing here. - [[Hapushet]]
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 # Guard, with spear set.
 # Attack on the tick the charge attack hits you.
-Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - IanPrice
+Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - [[IanPrice]]
 :Probably not, though the text implies something more complicated.  Certainly, it would have been nice to have that kind of things laid out as an attack manuever or something.  Still, your solution works more than well enough. - [[Hapushet]]

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 # Soak: n/a
 # Counterattacks: none
-# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using TonyC's suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
+# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using [[TonyC]]'s suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
 :H: <code>--|-----|----|-|-</code>, wp: 6/8, psnl: 12/0/12, prph: 15/16/32, DV plty: -1, Soak: 13B/12L/10A, Ch: 3/3/3/3, Next action: 10<br>
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 === Tick 6-9 ===
-No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings/GrappleTiming, we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
+No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings[[/GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
 === Tick 10 - Hero ===
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 *The clinch rules seem weird, but a closer examination seems to put the weight of the problem on the rules for Inactivity.  If we didn't have that strange, "The state ends as immediately as it began" wording, I think the entire situation would have been more clear.
 *Stunting repeated grapple contests is a pain in the ass.
-*TrialBySchmendrick might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
+*[[TrialBySchmendrick]] might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
 *Clinching is an ''incredibly'' powerful tactic in one-on-one battles.  If successful, it is basically unstoppable.
 *THS must be combined with a defensive package of some kind to be functional.  Five-Dragon is a fairly complete combat style in itself, but THS relies pretty much entirely on the "best defense is a good offense" logic when used alone.
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 === Observers ===
-:<b>IanPrice</b>
+:<b>[[IanPrice]]</b>
 * Action Speed is life. It's not more important than attack, defense, or movement, but neither is it less.
 * Combos are life and death. Especially when you stack multiple charms towards a single purpose.
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 Okay, now I'm screwed. - [[Hapushet]]
-Let's proceed using TonyC's suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
+Let's proceed using [[TonyC]]'s suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
 I'm having a strange sense of deja vu here.  Let's see if you manage two successes on your stunt dice, which would be enough to avoid history repeating itself... - [[Hapushet]]
-Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not GenCon, sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
+Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not [[GenCon]], sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
 [[Wordman]], do you want to finish this?  I hate to say it, but repeated grapple contests are boring the hell out of me.  Had I the slightest alternative that would actually get through your Hardness and soak without killing me, I'd take it, but at the moment, I'm pretty much burned out on this.   What do you think? - [[Hapushet]]
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 I suppose it's served its purpose. I probably should have just surrendered, but a) I was holding out to see what would happen when you ran out of willpower, but that now seems unlikely, b) because I'm not a fan of wussing out at the first sign of trouble and c) Schmendrick never surrenders, dammit! How about we just assume that Hero continued to crush Five to unconsciousness. I'm sort of curious about what happens after that. Does the audience get to find out who the "real" Schmendrick was? Or who the mysterious masters of this fight were? -- [[Wordman]]
-:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until TrialBySchmendrick itself comes to a close.
+:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until [[TrialBySchmendrick]] itself comes to a close.
 :Also, before I forget - my congratulations to an awesome opponent. - [[Hapushet]], ''happy to have had that, at least''
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 == Observer Comments ==
-Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - IanPrice
+Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - [[IanPrice]]
 Predictions anyone? - [[Wordman]]
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 :My survival is looking expectionally questionable. - [[Hapushet]]
-TonyC mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
+[[TonyC]] mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
 :We're holding the fight in hopes of getting a consensus asnwer, right? - [[Hapushet]]
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 Tick 15 stunt is way cool. Good work, Hapushet! - [[nikink]]
-:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - IanPrice
+:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - [[IanPrice]]
 :: Absolutely! - [[nikink]]
-On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - IanPrice
+On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - [[IanPrice]]
 :I started yet another Rulings page, [[Rulings/FlurriesInGrapples]], to examine the matter further. Regardless, it doesn't seem to have any bearing here. - [[Hapushet]]
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 # Guard, with spear set.
 # Attack on the tick the charge attack hits you.
-Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - IanPrice
+Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - [[IanPrice]]
 :Probably not, though the text implies something more complicated.  Certainly, it would have been nice to have that kind of things laid out as an attack manuever or something.  Still, your solution works more than well enough. - [[Hapushet]]

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 # Soak: n/a
 # Counterattacks: none
-# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using [[TonyC]]'s suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
+# Result: Five controls clinch. He elects to Break Hold by hurling Hero into the ground nice and close by. According to pg 157 this leaves Hero automatically prone. Using TonyC's suggestion, Five is considered to have acted to break the clinch, so goes again at 11. Hero also acted to control the clinch which, thanks to his bracers is a Speed 5 action, letting him go on 10. Five gains 4 motes back from his successful stunt.
 :H: <code>--|-----|----|-|-</code>, wp: 6/8, psnl: 12/0/12, prph: 15/16/32, DV plty: -1, Soak: 13B/12L/10A, Ch: 3/3/3/3, Next action: 10<br>
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 === Tick 6-9 ===
-No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings[[/GrappleTiming]], we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
+No one acts. Initially, it was assumed that Five could act on tick 6, during which he unleashed a flurry of attacks, the first of which did six points of damage (hence the "I'm screwed" and similar comments below). After discussion in Rulings/GrappleTiming, we decided to retcon this action and proceeded as below.
 === Tick 10 - Hero ===
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 *The clinch rules seem weird, but a closer examination seems to put the weight of the problem on the rules for Inactivity.  If we didn't have that strange, "The state ends as immediately as it began" wording, I think the entire situation would have been more clear.
 *Stunting repeated grapple contests is a pain in the ass.
-*[[TrialBySchmendrick]] might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
+*TrialBySchmendrick might require some rethinking where Dragon-Blooded are concerned.  DBs run so heavily on their specialties that Schmendrick's generic stats don't reflect the way DBs are actually built, ever, and the low dice cap has kept both [[Wordman]] and myself from using all of our Charm options, since we were already maxed out.  Future contests using the Pillar should consider allowing a two dots worth of Martial Arts specialties for each Schmendrick to more accurately model DB contests.
 *Clinching is an ''incredibly'' powerful tactic in one-on-one battles.  If successful, it is basically unstoppable.
 *THS must be combined with a defensive package of some kind to be functional.  Five-Dragon is a fairly complete combat style in itself, but THS relies pretty much entirely on the "best defense is a good offense" logic when used alone.
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 === Observers ===
 == Initial Negotiations ==
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 Okay, now I'm screwed. - [[Hapushet]]
-Let's proceed using [[TonyC]]'s suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
+Let's proceed using TonyC's suggested fix for clinches. I still think it might end up letting the whole combat go by without Five actually ever having an action, but we'll see. I probably should throw you to some distance where you'd have to move before attacking me, but you'd probably just leap, so screw it. -- [[Wordman]]
 I'm having a strange sense of deja vu here.  Let's see if you manage two successes on your stunt dice, which would be enough to avoid history repeating itself... - [[Hapushet]]
-Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not [[GenCon]], sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
+Just wanted to note that I'm at a weekend conference at the moment (not GenCon, sadly) - I probably won't get a chance to update until Monday.  [[Wordman]], you can start the next tick if you want - there's no need to wait on me for that, at least... - [[Hapushet]]
 [[Wordman]], do you want to finish this?  I hate to say it, but repeated grapple contests are boring the hell out of me.  Had I the slightest alternative that would actually get through your Hardness and soak without killing me, I'd take it, but at the moment, I'm pretty much burned out on this.   What do you think? - [[Hapushet]]
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 I suppose it's served its purpose. I probably should have just surrendered, but a) I was holding out to see what would happen when you ran out of willpower, but that now seems unlikely, b) because I'm not a fan of wussing out at the first sign of trouble and c) Schmendrick never surrenders, dammit! How about we just assume that Hero continued to crush Five to unconsciousness. I'm sort of curious about what happens after that. Does the audience get to find out who the "real" Schmendrick was? Or who the mysterious masters of this fight were? -- [[Wordman]]
-:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until [[TrialBySchmendrick]] itself comes to a close.
+:I think they were both real Schmendricks, and I don't imagine the secrets behind the battles of infinite Schmendricks will be resolved until TrialBySchmendrick itself comes to a close.
 :Also, before I forget - my congratulations to an awesome opponent. - [[Hapushet]], ''happy to have had that, at least''
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 == Observer Comments ==
-Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - [[IanPrice]]
+Five-Dragon Combos are easy. Five-Dragon Wrath + Five-Dragon Fist or Five-Dragon Force Blow. Expensive, but you'll ruin anyone's day. - IanPrice
 Predictions anyone? - [[Wordman]]
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 :My survival is looking expectionally questionable. - [[Hapushet]]
-[[TonyC]] mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
+TonyC mentioned a timing problem, and I've diverted the conversation to [[Rulings/GrappleTiming]]. Please join in. -- [[Wordman]]
 :We're holding the fight in hopes of getting a consensus asnwer, right? - [[Hapushet]]
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 Tick 15 stunt is way cool. Good work, Hapushet! - [[nikink]]
-:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - [[IanPrice]]
+:I think [[Wordman]]'s stunt is way cool too... that's just looking like an awesome moment in the fight, now isn't it? - IanPrice
 :: Absolutely! - [[nikink]]
-On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - [[IanPrice]]
+On the flurry question raised above: I would say that such actions in the flurry would be legal, but remember that you'd also have to put a Break Hold action in there (even if it's unrolled, ie, not throwing) to tell the rules that your arms aren't maintaining the clinch. Or get it allowed through a stunt bending the rules (as in this case, where a well described stunt might allow a kick or stab despite your held neck). Most importantly though, I'd remind you that the whole thing becomes moot if you lose the clinch contest, which becomes more likely if you put the flurry penalty on yourself. The loser's inactivity is pretty clear, even if when it ends isn't. - IanPrice
 :I started yet another Rulings page, [[Rulings/FlurriesInGrapples]], to examine the matter further. Regardless, it doesn't seem to have any bearing here. - [[Hapushet]]
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 # Guard, with spear set.
 # Attack on the tick the charge attack hits you.
-Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - [[IanPrice]]
+Simple, elegant, no rules questions. Am I wrong? - IanPrice
 :Probably not, though the text implies something more complicated.  Certainly, it would have been nice to have that kind of things laid out as an attack manuever or something.  Still, your solution works more than well enough. - [[Hapushet]]