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 == The Contestants ==
-[[TrialByFire/ShunVersusSilk/ShiningShun|Alternate Universe Shun]] - [[IanPrice]] brings this new version of Shun, known as "Shining Crane," to the contest. Shining Shun still uses Celestial Monkey Style, but instead of his old Resistance tricks he now wields Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style, along with a pair of charms from the Violet Bier of Sorrows. Unarmed and unarmored, Shun relies on the plethora of persistent charms available to him to carry the day. His most potent weapon is the ability to activate all five forms in Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style at once, followed closely by his Combo which can activate all of his reflexive, scene-long charms during his Join Battle action.
+[[TrialByFire/ShiningShun|Alternate Universe Shun]] - [[IanPrice]] brings this new version of Shun, known as "Shining Crane," to the contest. Shining Shun still uses Celestial Monkey Style, but instead of his old Resistance tricks he now wields Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style, along with a pair of charms from the Violet Bier of Sorrows. Unarmed and unarmored, Shun relies on the plethora of persistent charms available to him to carry the day. His most potent weapon is the ability to activate all five forms in Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style at once, followed closely by his Combo which can activate all of his reflexive, scene-long charms during his Join Battle action.
-[[TrialByFire/ShunVersusSilk/SilkTBF|Thrice Damned Mercurial Silk]] - [[Ambisinister]]'s Twilight is a Gold Faction trainee who made a deal with the devil - or the Ebon Dragon, who is close enough. Silk uses the entire Snake and Violet Bier of Sorrows Styles, as well as the Charcoal March of Spiders style up to the form. Silk has chosen to add his First Martial Arts Excellency to his Combos, and use Infinite Martial Arts Mastery to sustain his dice adding. However, it is without doubt that the most potent ability in Silk's arsenal is the Charcoal March of Spiders Form, which provides him with not only incredible mobility, not only a powerful defense, but three fully independent actions which may in themselves be flurries (though not magical flurries) and which each have their own charm use and seperately refreshing DVs.
+[[TrialByFire/SilkTBF|Thrice Damned Mercurial Silk]] - [[Ambisinister]]'s Twilight is a Gold Faction trainee who made a deal with the devil - or the Ebon Dragon, who is close enough. Silk uses the entire Snake and Violet Bier of Sorrows Styles, as well as the Charcoal March of Spiders style up to the form. Silk has chosen to add his First Martial Arts Excellency to his Combos, and use Infinite Martial Arts Mastery to sustain his dice adding. However, it is without doubt that the most potent ability in Silk's arsenal is the Charcoal March of Spiders Form, which provides him with not only incredible mobility, not only a powerful defense, but three fully independent actions which may in themselves be flurries (though not magical flurries) and which each have their own charm use and seperately refreshing DVs.
 Shun: hl: <code>---|---|----|-|-</code>, wp: 10/10, prsnl: 25/0/25, prph: 56/1/57, ISG: 50/0/50, ECG: 75/0/75, DV: P6/D8/-0, Soak: 5B/2L/0A, Next Action: ?, Current Wardrobe: Martial arts gi of light white-gold silk, in the old style once favored in Yu-Shan.

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 ::::I think I an agree with you about AST after ISC, although do think you would know how many successes you need before invoking ISC. I think the game is supposed to run on more or less perfect information. If you gamble and lose, sure, but, you should know what the gamble is ahead of time. I'm not actually sure that you can't activate AST after ISC by the rules(Step ordering fails again), but I can see an argument either way. This is another one of those things that I don't think matters TO much(If someone went through the trouble to stick BOTH in their combo's, I'd let them do it.). -FlowsLikeBits
 :I'm wrong, mostly. Looking into this further, I see what is going on now. It is not the CMoS form or the nature of reflexive charms that makes the interaction legal, it's the combo rules. Normally, instant reflexives only work in the instant they are activated. They don't usually "hang around". When used with combos, however, reflexives work a bit differently (and unfortunately, this is yet another timing situation that is not very well defined). Reflexives in combos do "hang around" to be used once the combo is activated (although exactly for how long could be debated). Tick 20 occurred before any of Silk's actions. He can still activate combos on that tick, but until he actually acts he can only use the ''reflexive'' components of those combos and supplemental charms that can legally enhance any actions gained by the reflexives. This means that he certainly could ''not'' have used Essence Venom Strike (which is Simple), but the other charms can be used, even though they came from a different combo, due to the "the supplemental Charm may benefit the character’s reflexive actions, including actions given by reflexive and permanent Charms, if it can validly apply to them" rule (pg. 245). Note this rule does ''not'' say that the reflexive actions have to be provided by the same combo. This is hugely important. (BTW, since Essence Venom Strike is simple, on tick 23, Action B ''must'' be spent using it and all of the supplementals in that combo, not that it matters now.)
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 :As for multiple parries against the same attack with CMoS, that doesn't really apply in 2E, since defense is static. In 1E, I'm pretty sure using more than one independent action to parry would be completely valid if the actions were available. Certainly it is as valid as activating Adamant Skin with Action C. Held parry actions in 1E essentially reflexively interrupt the attack. This works because the actions are generating the parries. Having a charm like Flow Like Blood active, however, wouldn't give you three dodges against the same attack, because having three independent actions doesn't change the way Flow Like Blood works. You probably could, however, use one fully independent action to activate a charm giving a single reflexive parry, another action to activate that same charm again, and the third to activate a reflexive dodge, all against the same attack. (Again, in 1E). The counterattack might be possible as well. For example, if you activated Snake Strikes the Heel with each independent action, that might well generate three counterattacks. That's what having fully independant actions is all about. - [[Wordman]]

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