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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l63&quot; &gt;Line 63:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Neph underestimates the power that mortals can achieve.&amp;#160; The upper limit that a mortal can attain through thaumaturgy is actually [[Raindoll/MortalLimits|pretty high]], even without gunzosha armor. - [[Raindoll]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Neph underestimates the power that mortals can achieve.&amp;#160; The upper limit that a mortal can attain through thaumaturgy is actually [[Raindoll/MortalLimits|pretty high]], even without gunzosha armor. - [[Raindoll]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The rules let it happen, but really should they be so powerful?&amp;#160; I have read your bit about how powerful they can get, and while its possible I don't know if that matches what should be.&amp;#160; - BogMod&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The rules let it happen, but really should they be so powerful?&amp;#160; I have read your bit about how powerful they can get, and while its possible I don't know if that matches what should be.&amp;#160; - &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;BogMod&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Raindoll: added MF's name to his comment</title>
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				<updated>2004-08-04T14:57:15Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;added MF&amp;#039;s name to his comment&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== On Drugs, Artifacts and the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;UnExalted&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nephilpal - 03/29/2004 09:56:14 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I've wrestled with this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I remember the first time I read Exalted: the Outcastes and I came &lt;br /&gt;
across gunzosha troopers. I thought... wow... people who give up half &lt;br /&gt;
their life to fight on the same battlefield as Exalted. That's pretty &lt;br /&gt;
damn cool.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And then you have thaumaturgy and the power of alchemy and ways for &lt;br /&gt;
mortals to temporarily become powerful.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think it would be reasonable to imagine a mortal who uses a &lt;br /&gt;
combination of alchemical regimens, power armor and other Shogunate &lt;br /&gt;
gear to take the field among Exalted. Of course, to play on a weak &lt;br /&gt;
Terrestrial level, he's a drug-addicted wretch whose body and soul &lt;br /&gt;
won't last a decade... and that's assuming the great powers of the &lt;br /&gt;
world don't strike him down for his impertinence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Exalted setting allows for such a hero, the scarred super-veteran &lt;br /&gt;
who is cheating the system every way possible at once for the &lt;br /&gt;
briefest moment of glory. These are the people who become Celestial &lt;br /&gt;
Exalted when there is a Celestial Essence available. But what if that &lt;br /&gt;
day never comes? Such a character makes a stark object lesson in the &lt;br /&gt;
way the setting works. Let's assume for a moment that you have an &lt;br /&gt;
Outcaste brotherhood with this superveteran thaumaturge as a member. &lt;br /&gt;
Let's say he can generally keep up when he has to. After the battle &lt;br /&gt;
with the mutant horde, they're all sitting around the campfire &lt;br /&gt;
tending their wounds and unwinding. The Terrestrials are cleaning the &lt;br /&gt;
gore off their armor and laughing, taking in Essence from food and &lt;br /&gt;
fellowship. Their ally has removed his war-carapace and is carefully &lt;br /&gt;
smearing a glowing paste onto his cuts to accelerate healing and &lt;br /&gt;
prevent infection. The paste leaves disfigured purple scars and he's &lt;br /&gt;
a patchwork of them now, but he wouldn't win any beauty pageants with &lt;br /&gt;
his array of glittering amulets riveted through skin and muscle and &lt;br /&gt;
bone. His companions pass around the wineflask. He can't drink wine. &lt;br /&gt;
He can only sip a bitter mineral water whose formula and tincture is &lt;br /&gt;
carefully regulated because he can't be sure how anything else will &lt;br /&gt;
react to the complicated batch of drugs churning through his hardened &lt;br /&gt;
and aged flesh. He can feel a burning with every swallow and his &lt;br /&gt;
blood barely smells like blood any more... less iron... more... he &lt;br /&gt;
can't find a name for it because no analogue exists in nature. He's &lt;br /&gt;
not even sure if he's human any more or whether he could breed a new &lt;br /&gt;
species if the drugs hadn't left him sterile years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That's what it takes to play the game with Exalted as an equal or &lt;br /&gt;
something close (or something equally harsh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Using the Merits and Flaws, you CAN be Frodo with a Legendary &lt;br /&gt;
Artifact so dangerous that none of the magical beings can be trusted &lt;br /&gt;
with it. Or you can be like the guy in Princess Mononoke and be Dying &lt;br /&gt;
for your power. Etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It's ok to break the system a bit, given that people in the Exalted &lt;br /&gt;
setting do that sort of thing. Of course, the system always breaks &lt;br /&gt;
you back with interest. That's another part of the setting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--Neph&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Comments ==&lt;br /&gt;
Neph underestimates the power that mortals can achieve.  The upper limit that a mortal can attain through thaumaturgy is actually [[Raindoll/MortalLimits|pretty high]], even without gunzosha armor. - [[Raindoll]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The rules let it happen, but really should they be so powerful?  I have read your bit about how powerful they can get, and while its possible I don't know if that matches what should be.  - BogMod&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wasn't the Perfect of Paragon once a mortal? - MetalFatigue&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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