The Ghost/Titans of War: Functional Warstriders - Revision history

The Ghost: /* Base Precepts */

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‎Base Precepts

The Ghost: /* Weaponry. */

2014-10-04T16:10:11Z

‎Weaponry.

The Ghost: /* The New Rules */

2014-10-04T04:59:38Z

‎The New Rules

The Ghost: /* 3: Speed. */

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‎3: Speed.

The Ghost: /* Stage 2 */

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‎Stage 2

The Ghost: /* Stage 2 */

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‎Stage 2

The Ghost: /* Stage 2 */

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‎Stage 2

The Ghost: /* Stage 2 */

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‎Stage 2

The Ghost: /* Stage 1 */

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‎Stage 1

The Ghost: /* Stage 1 */

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‎Stage 1

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 ==== Base Precepts ====
-Like the Ancillary Systems in Wonders of the Lost Age Warstriders can be upgraded with subsystems that grant them new and useful abilities: however, unlike those systems, which will be referenced here, most of these upgrades do not require commitment of additional motes, as the cost to attune to a Warstrider is already crippling. Even the highest level abilities only cost two motes over those of the base warstrider, though you can under this system add several of those to a Royal Warstrider.
+Like the Ancillary Systems in Wonders of the Lost Age Warstriders can be upgraded with subsystems that grant them new and useful abilities: however, unlike those systems, which will be referenced here, most of these upgrades do not require commitment of additional motes, as the cost to attune to a Warstrider is already crippling. Even the highest level abilities only cost three motes over those of the base warstrider, though you can under this system add several of those to a Royal Warstrider.
 For each dot of artifact rating that the Warstrider costs it gets 2 'design points' to customize it's abilities. A warstrider can be equipped with customized sub systems rated between 1 and 5 points, and any sub system costing more points than the base artifact rating of your Warstrider requires express ST permission and would be impossible for the artisans of the second age.
 ==== 1 point systems ====

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 Warstriders may be mounted with integral weapons such as Essence Cannons and Retractable Razor claws, which cost no extra motes to attune. Adding such weapons costs a number of design points as shown in the next stage of this rules change. Additionally ALL Warstriders are equipped as an integral feature of the way they are built with Warstrider scale Smash Fists and God Kicking Boots, these weapons cost no additional motes to attune and are not charged a point cost in stage 3, they are simply part of the nature of Warstriders design parameters.
-(It must be noted at this juncture that the minimum requirements of these weapons combine with the rules for strength bonuses later in this section mean that to pilot a standard Scout Warstrider you require a Strength of 2 dots.)
+(It must be noted at this juncture that the minimum requirements of these weapons combine with the rules for strength bonuses later in this section mean that to pilot a standard Scout Warstrider you require a Strength of 2 dots, AKA human average. Apparently being a military scout who operates an 18' tall war-machine in advance of an army is not for people who could not pass basic training...)
 ==== Speed. ====

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 At this stage of the rules revision we make a fundamental change to the status and rules system of warstriders: They cease to be armor one wears: and become '''vehicles''' one pilots.
-We still go at this point with much of the base profiles of the Warstrider, size, soak, attunement cost, and so on, but the following new rules com into play.
+We still go at this point with much of the base profiles of the Warstrider, size, soak, attunement cost, and so on, though we go back to the normal artifact ratings: but the following new rules com into play...
-==== 1: Health Levels, Soak, and Hardness. ====
+==== Health Levels, Soak, and Hardness. ====
 Warstriders have their own health levels, following the rules for vehicles, which are equal to their soak divided equally between -0, -1, -2, -3, -4 and Incapacitated health levels. As a Vechicle the Warstrider has a Hardness equal to it's soak, however that hardness applies only to damage against the vehicle. It has only half that hardness for protecting it's pilot. Each time the Warstrider is attacked the attacker must chose if they are trying to attack the war-strider or it's pilot.
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 The wound penalties from the vehicle and the pilot stack for the purposes of determining things like penalties to speed and dodging, as both the vehicle's ability to respond to the pilots commands and the pilot's ability to give those commands effectively play a role in determining how responsive the device is.
-==== 2: Weaponry. ====
+==== Weaponry. ====
 Warstriders may be mounted with integral weapons such as Essence Cannons and Retractable Razor claws, which cost no extra motes to attune. Adding such weapons costs a number of design points as shown in the next stage of this rules change. Additionally ALL Warstriders are equipped as an integral feature of the way they are built with Warstrider scale Smash Fists and God Kicking Boots, these weapons cost no additional motes to attune and are not charged a point cost in stage 3, they are simply part of the nature of Warstriders design parameters.
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 (It must be noted at this juncture that the minimum requirements of these weapons combine with the rules for strength bonuses later in this section mean that to pilot a standard Scout Warstrider you require a Strength of 2 dots.)
-==== 3: Speed. ====
+==== Speed. ====
 Warstriders Speed is Equal to that of the person wearing it, multiplied by the usual amount for that type of war strider, but NOT modified by it's mobility penalty. Instead it's multiplier is reduced by the current Combine wound level of the Warstrider and Pilot, or reduced to zero if the Warstrider is incapacitated. Even a Warstrider mauled nigh to being non functional is faster than it's pilot would be were he not in control of a 18 foot tall giant simply by virtue of having larger limbs with which to limp along.
-==== 4: Fatigue and Mobility Penalty. ====
+==== Fatigue and Mobility Penalty. ====
 Warstriders have conventional fatigue or mobility penalties far far lower than they do in the standard system. These supreme engines of war are air conditioned with blocks of True Ice from near the elemental pole of air and heated if necessary with essence charged plaques of Red Jade. In addition to this their control harnesses are padded and adjusted specifically to accommodate the user comfortably and respond effortlessly to their commands. They therefore only have a fatigue value equal to their base stats -4 to a minimum of 0, and a mobility penalty of their standard level -3 to a minimum of 0.
-==== 5: Strength Bonus ====
+==== Strength Bonus. ====
 Instead of the listed strength of the Warstrider being a fixed value this amount is added as a bonus to the users strength.
-==== 6: Mass Combat Power ====
+==== Mass Combat Power. ====
 Warstriders, due to their inherent power and capability can be employed on both the tactical and mass combat scale. When used in mass combat they count as having magnitude even as solo units, equal to the following values:
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 When tabulating the magnitude of an entire UNIT of Warstriders use the magnitude of the lowest rated Warstrider in the unit as the base line and then add the magnitude they would gain from numbers to that as if that number were magnitude 0.
-==== 7: Large Target ====
+==== Large Target. ====
 Piloting a minimum of 18 foot tall warmachine comes with certain issues. Anyone with a clear shot at the Warstrider or an effect which negates cover gains 2 times the listed bonus for Aim actions taken against the target, as they are almost literally aiming at the broad side of a barn. Even if they do not take an aim action they gain a +1 die bonus.
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 === Stage 3 ===

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 ==== 3: Speed. ====
-Warstriders Speed is Equal to that of the person wearing it, multiplied by the usual amount for that type of war strider, but NOT modified by it's mobility penalty. Instead it's multiplier is reduced by the current wound level of the Warstrider x2, or reduced to zero if the Warstrider is incapacitated. Even a Warstrider mauled nigh to being non functional is faster than it's pilot would be were he not in control of a 18 foot tall giant simply by virtue of having larger limbs with which to limp along.
+Warstriders Speed is Equal to that of the person wearing it, multiplied by the usual amount for that type of war strider, but NOT modified by it's mobility penalty. Instead it's multiplier is reduced by the current Combine wound level of the Warstrider and Pilot, or reduced to zero if the Warstrider is incapacitated. Even a Warstrider mauled nigh to being non functional is faster than it's pilot would be were he not in control of a 18 foot tall giant simply by virtue of having larger limbs with which to limp along.
 ==== 4: Fatigue and Mobility Penalty. ====

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 We still go at this point with much of the base profiles of the Warstrider, size, soak, attunement cost, and so on, but the following new rules com into play.
-==== 1: Health Levels. ====
+==== 1: Health Levels, Soak, and Hardness. ====
-Warstriders have their own health levels, following the rules for vehicles, which are equal to their soak divided equally between -0, -1, -2, -3, -4 and Incapacitated health levels. Their pilot cannot take levels of damage until the Warstrider itself takes it's first -3 health level and then may chose to take half the damage from each attack which penetrates the armor instead of the vehicle, and is subject to called shots to target him directly instead of the Warstrider at a -4 external penalty.
+Warstriders have their own health levels, following the rules for vehicles, which are equal to their soak divided equally between -0, -1, -2, -3, -4 and Incapacitated health levels. As a Vechicle the Warstrider has a Hardness equal to it's soak, however that hardness applies only to damage against the vehicle. It has only half that hardness for protecting it's pilot. Each time the Warstrider is attacked the attacker must chose if they are trying to attack the war-strider or it's pilot.
 The wound penalties from the vehicle and the pilot stack for the purposes of determining things like penalties to speed and dodging, as both the vehicle's ability to respond to the pilots commands and the pilot's ability to give those commands effectively play a role in determining how responsive the device is.
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 ==== 4: Fatigue and Mobility Penalty. ====
-Warstriders have conventional fatigue or mobility penalties far far lower than they do in the standard system. These supreme engines of war are air conditioned with blocks of True Ice from near the elemental pole of air and heated if necessary with essence charged plaques of Red Jade. In addition to this their control harnesses are padded and adjusted specifically to accommodate the user comfortably and respond effortlessly to their commands. They therefore only have a fatigue value equal to their base stats -3 to a minimum of 0, and a mobility penalty of their standard level -4 to a minimum of 0.
+Warstriders have conventional fatigue or mobility penalties far far lower than they do in the standard system. These supreme engines of war are air conditioned with blocks of True Ice from near the elemental pole of air and heated if necessary with essence charged plaques of Red Jade. In addition to this their control harnesses are padded and adjusted specifically to accommodate the user comfortably and respond effortlessly to their commands. They therefore only have a fatigue value equal to their base stats -4 to a minimum of 0, and a mobility penalty of their standard level -3 to a minimum of 0.
 ==== 5: Strength Bonus ====
 Instead of the listed strength of the Warstrider being a fixed value this amount is added as a bonus to the users strength.
 === Stage 3 ===

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	=== Stage 2 ===		=== Stage 2 ===

		+	Now, you may be wondering why I consider a Warstrider an artifact 2 device, and especially a Colossus an Artifact 3 device. The Answer is simple, but two fold: 1: A colossus mobility penalty means that without charms geared towards using it effectively a person wearing it CANNOT MOVE. 2: Warstriders, by their very nature as minumum 18' tall Giants, paint the hugest freaking target on your back. You will be attacked not only by the enemy artillery, but also by their own exalted champions, who are more agile and dexterous than you.

		+	Now: how do we deal with this? It's easier than you might think.
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		+	At this stage of the rules revision we make a fundamental change to the status and rules system of warstriders: They cease to be armor one wears: and become '''vehicles''' one pilots.
		+
		+	We still go at this point with much of the base profiles of the Warstrider, size, soak, attunement cost, and so on, but the following new rules com into play.
		+
		+	1: Health Levels.
		+
		+	Warstriders have their own health levels, following the rules for vehicles, which are equal to their soak divided equally between -0, -1, -2, -3, -4 and Incapacitated health levels. Their pilot cannot take levels of damage until the Warstrider itself takes it's first -3 health level and then may chose to take half the damage from each attack which penetrates the armor instead of the vehicle, and is subject to called shots to target him directly instead of the Warstrider at a -4 external penalty.
		+
		+	The wound penalties from the vehicle and the pilot stack for the purposes of determining things like penalties to speed and dodging, as both the vehicle's ability to respond to the pilots commands and the pilot's ability to give those commands effectively play a role in determining how responsive the device is.
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		+	2: Weaponry.
		+
		+	Warstriders may be mounted with integral weapons such as Essence Cannons and Retractable Razor claws, which cost no extra motes to attune. Adding such weapons costs a number of design points as shown in the next stage of this rules change.
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		+	3: Speed.
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		+	Warstriders Speed is Equal to that of the person wearing it, multiplied by the usual amount for that type of war strider, but NOT modified by it's mobility penalty. Instead it's multiplier is reduced by the current wound level of the Warstrider x2, or reduced to zero if the Warstrider is incapacitated. Even a Warstrider mauled nigh to being non functional is faster than it's pilot would be were he not in control of a 18 foot tall giant simply by virtue of having larger limbs with which to limp along.
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		+	4: Fatigue and Mobility Penalty.
		+
		+	Warstriders have conventional fatigue or mobility penalties far far lower than they do in the standard system. These supreme engines of war are air conditioned with blocks of True Ice from near the elemental pole of air and heated if necessary with essence charged plaques of Red Jade. In addition to this their control harnesses are padded and adjusted specifically to accommodate the user comfortably and respond effortlessly to their commands. They therefore only have a fatigue value equal to their base stats -3 to a minimum of 0, and a mobility penalty of their standard level -4 to a minimum of 0.

	=== Stage 3 ===		=== Stage 3 ===

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	This rules change works as follows: FOR Warstriders ''exactly'' like those in wonders of the lost age, with all their weaknesses and flaws, the cost to take them as Artifacts is reduced by 1 dot, except for Colossus which is reduced by 2. Yes, this means a Colossus Warstrider is a 3 dot artifact, you will see why shortly.		This rules change works as follows: FOR Warstriders ''exactly'' like those in wonders of the lost age, with all their weaknesses and flaws, the cost to take them as Artifacts is reduced by 1 dot, except for Colossus which is reduced by 2. Yes, this means a Colossus Warstrider is a 3 dot artifact, you will see why shortly.
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		+	This rule can be used on it's own to bring Warstriders ''more'' in line with the fluff, but it is not actually enough to fully reflect them by itself.

	=== Stage 2 ===		=== Stage 2 ===

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		+	The simplest and most basic stage of correcting these rules is to adjust the Artifact cost of Warstriders.

		+	This rules change works as follows: FOR Warstriders ''exactly'' like those in wonders of the lost age, with all their weaknesses and flaws, the cost to take them as Artifacts is reduced by 1 dot, except for Colossus which is reduced by 2. Yes, this means a Colossus Warstrider is a 3 dot artifact, you will see why shortly.

	=== Stage 2 ===		=== Stage 2 ===