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This is my idea for the most powerful possible charm. Presumptuous of me, I know. But it just seemed right when I thought of it, so there you go.

Transcendence
 Cost: 10 permanent willpower, 10 permanent essence.
 Duration: Special
 Type: Special
 Min. Ability: Lore 10, Crafts 10, Occult 8 Presence 8
 Min Essence: 10
 Prereqs: Wyld-Shaping, All-encompassing sorceror's sight
 Upon activating this, the user spends the experience and time meditating that it would take to hypothetically raise their essence to 11. At the moment of that enlightenment, when they reach a level of unity and beyond what is possible within a mind confined by matter and thought, they complete this charm and dismantle their own essence and consciousness to build it into something entirely new. 
This could be a new race or species, a new concept, an unspeakably powerful artifact, a virtue, emotion, or ability, a world or universe inside or outside of creation, the wyld or elsewhere, or something too foreign for a mortal mind to comprehend. Nothing is beyond the limits of this charm; it could make unbreakable the walls of creation forever, create a way to permanently destroy a malfean, free the yozi or raise the temperence of every being in existence. 
The costs for the charm are paid at the end of the time the user spends to raise their essence. If they are in any way distracted or disrupted during their preparation, they lose a permanent essence and willpower and the charm ends; they also lose the experience spent. 
This is a perfect effect; the changes it makes will always be entirely what the user wishes. No being of essence less than 10 has the metaphysical authority to resist this charm, and even they will need an equivalently powerful defense. 
The user of the charm has their consciousness taken apart on the most basic level, dismantling themselves completely, body, mind, essence and soul. They cannot in any way persevere or create a new body for themselves through the use of this charm; while they could build a new body of primordial scale, they would not be inhabiting it. Consider the annihilation of the user's awareness, self, and souls to be a cost of using this charm. The user must fully commit themselves to this, and cannot be coerced into doing it against their will by any means, magical or otherwise. 
This charm may be learned and used by either solars or deathlords, provided the deathlord remembers the prerequisite charms from his solar incarnation.

=== Comments ===
Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..consume the other Primordials!" According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it. So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- GregLink
: I mainly put in the idea of resisting it as a concession to perfect defenses always winning. It does seem like an essence ten creature destroying themselves utterly for one effect should be pretty powerful, but I didn't want to break the "nothing beats a perfect defense" rule. And you could use it to build a new primordial; but note that you are destroying your consciousness and soul as part of the process, so while you are creating a new primordial it's not a bigger and more impressive body for yourself - it's a new primordial. You could, however, use the charm to turn a circlemate into a primordial and have them stay themselves after a fashion, I suppose. - TheHoverpope

GregLink: You sure it can even be resisted?

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You sure it can even be resisted?

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 This is my idea for the most powerful possible charm. Presumptuous of me, I know. But it just seemed right when I thought of it, so there you go.
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 <BR><b>Min Essence:</b> 10
 <BR><b>Prereqs:</b> Wyld-Shaping, All-encompassing sorceror's sight
-<BR>The user of the charm, either a solar or a deathlord, activates this charm spends the experience and time meditating that it would take to hypothetically raise their essence to 11. At the moment of that enlightenment, when they reach a level of unity and beyond what is possible within a mind confined by matter and thought, they complete this charm and dismantle their own essence and consciousness to build it into something entirely new. <BR>
+<BR>Upon activating this, the user spends the experience and time meditating that it would take to hypothetically raise their essence to 11. At the moment of that enlightenment, when they reach a level of unity and beyond what is possible within a mind confined by matter and thought, they complete this charm and dismantle their own essence and consciousness to build it into something entirely new. <BR>
 This could be a new race or species, a new concept, an unspeakably powerful artifact, a virtue, emotion, or ability, a world or universe inside or outside of creation, the wyld or elsewhere, or something too foreign for a mortal mind to comprehend. Nothing is beyond the limits of this charm; it could make unbreakable the walls of creation forever, create a way to permanently destroy a malfean, free the yozi or raise the temperence of every being in existence.<BR>
 The costs for the charm are paid at the end of the time the user spends to raise their essence. If they are in any way distracted or disrupted during their preparation, they lose a permanent essence and willpower and the charm ends; they also lose the experience spent.<BR>
 This is a perfect effect; the changes it makes will always be entirely what the user wishes. No being of essence less than 10 has the metaphysical authority to resist this charm, and even they will need an equivalently powerful defense.<BR>
-The user of the charm has their consciousness taken apart on the most basic level, dismantling their essence and soul to achieve their goals. They must fully commit themselves to this, and cannot be coerced into doing it by any means. <BR>
+The user of the charm has their consciousness taken apart on the most basic level, dismantling themselves completely, body, mind, essence and soul. They cannot in any way persevere or create a new body for themselves through the use of this charm; while they could build a new body of primordial scale, they would not be inhabiting it. Consider the annihilation of the user's awareness, self, and souls to be a cost of using this charm. The user must fully commit themselves to this, and cannot be coerced into doing it against their will by any means, magical or otherwise. <BR>
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+=== Comments ===
-Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- GregLink
+Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- [[GregLink]]

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 === Comments ===
-Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- GregLink
+Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- [[GregLink]]
-: I mainly put in the idea of resisting it as a concession to perfect defenses always winning. It does seem like an essence ten creature destroying themselves utterly for one effect should be pretty powerful, but I didn't want to break the "nothing beats a perfect defense" rule. And you could use it to build a new primordial; but note that you are destroying your consciousness and soul as part of the process, so while you are creating a new primordial it's not a bigger and more impressive body for yourself - it's a new primordial. You could, however, use the charm to turn a circlemate into a primordial and have them stay themselves after a fashion, I suppose. - TheHoverpope
+: I mainly put in the idea of resisting it as a concession to perfect defenses always winning. It does seem like an essence ten creature destroying themselves utterly for one effect should be pretty powerful, but I didn't want to break the "nothing beats a perfect defense" rule. And you could use it to build a new primordial; but note that you are destroying your consciousness and soul as part of the process, so while you are creating a new primordial it's not a bigger and more impressive body for yourself - it's a new primordial. You could, however, use the charm to turn a circlemate into a primordial and have them stay themselves after a fashion, I suppose. - [[TheHoverpope]]

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 This is my idea for the most powerful possible charm. Presumptuous of me, I know. But it just seemed right when I thought of it, so there you go.
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 <BR><b>Min Essence:</b> 10
 <BR><b>Prereqs:</b> Wyld-Shaping, All-encompassing sorceror's sight
-<BR>Upon activating this, the user spends the experience and time meditating that it would take to hypothetically raise their essence to 11. At the moment of that enlightenment, when they reach a level of unity and beyond what is possible within a mind confined by matter and thought, they complete this charm and dismantle their own essence and consciousness to build it into something entirely new. <BR>
+<BR>The user of the charm, either a solar or a deathlord, activates this charm spends the experience and time meditating that it would take to hypothetically raise their essence to 11. At the moment of that enlightenment, when they reach a level of unity and beyond what is possible within a mind confined by matter and thought, they complete this charm and dismantle their own essence and consciousness to build it into something entirely new. <BR>
 This could be a new race or species, a new concept, an unspeakably powerful artifact, a virtue, emotion, or ability, a world or universe inside or outside of creation, the wyld or elsewhere, or something too foreign for a mortal mind to comprehend. Nothing is beyond the limits of this charm; it could make unbreakable the walls of creation forever, create a way to permanently destroy a malfean, free the yozi or raise the temperence of every being in existence.<BR>
 The costs for the charm are paid at the end of the time the user spends to raise their essence. If they are in any way distracted or disrupted during their preparation, they lose a permanent essence and willpower and the charm ends; they also lose the experience spent.<BR>
 This is a perfect effect; the changes it makes will always be entirely what the user wishes. No being of essence less than 10 has the metaphysical authority to resist this charm, and even they will need an equivalently powerful defense.<BR>
-The user of the charm has their consciousness taken apart on the most basic level, dismantling themselves completely, body, mind, essence and soul. They cannot in any way persevere or create a new body for themselves through the use of this charm; while they could build a new body of primordial scale, they would not be inhabiting it. Consider the annihilation of the user's awareness, self, and souls to be a cost of using this charm. The user must fully commit themselves to this, and cannot be coerced into doing it against their will by any means, magical or otherwise. <BR>
+The user of the charm has their consciousness taken apart on the most basic level, dismantling their essence and soul to achieve their goals. They must fully commit themselves to this, and cannot be coerced into doing it by any means. <BR>
-=== Comments ===
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-Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- [[GregLink]]
+Are you sure a being of Essence 10 can even resist this? The first thing that popped into my head when I read it was "Great! So I can sacrifice my mortal shell to make a new Primordial!" At which point I thought - "Wait, no... I'll..<i>consume</i> the other Primordials!"  According to my guess, such is something possible. Eating another Primordial, disassociating it, and consuming it, making a new me. Only a Primordial me. Perhaps taking all of my circlemates and turning them into my component souls. Thing is, I thought Primordials were Essence 10. Since they've been around since, you know, the beginning of time, if a charm to stop this exists, they'd know it. But by your definition, you can use this to destroy a Malfean, which implies that they can't really stop it.  So yeah. For an ultimate charm, with this level of cost, I'd actually expect that nothing could resist it... -- GregLink

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