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 === <b><i>original martial arts styles</i></b> ===
-* [[MartialArtsSzilard/MartialArts/CelestialDefenderStyle]] - A Celestial Martial Art based upon the awareness of weaknesses and the use of a shield as a weapon. Inspired by Captain America, of course.
+* [[MartialArts/CelestialDefenderStyle]] - A Celestial Martial Art based upon the awareness of weaknesses and the use of a shield as a weapon. Inspired by Captain America, of course.
-* [[MartialArtsSzilard/MartialArts/GardaStyle]] - a Celestial "animal style" based on an elemental.
+* [[MartialArts/GardaStyle]] - a Celestial "animal style" based on an elemental.
 === <b><i>martial arts styles in development</i></b> ===
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 A third martial arts project: I'd like to design a straight-up Solar-designed high-Essence Martial Art.
-Ooh! I had an idea this morning for a MA practiced by powerful Spirits, Demons, and [[EclipsesSzilard/MartialArts/Moonshadows]] that uses Words of Power as its signature weapon. Deadly Words Style? Needs a better name... Oh, and the Form would make intelligible verbal communication impossible within Essence yards of the martial artist.
+Ooh! I had an idea this morning for a MA practiced by powerful Spirits, Demons, and Eclipses/Moonshadows that uses Words of Power as its signature weapon. Deadly Words Style? Needs a better name... Oh, and the Form would make intelligible verbal communication impossible within Essence yards of the martial artist.
 Yet another MA idea - this one from a challenge I posed to willows: Heaven above Earth Style. It begins with four charms (Air, Wood, Fire, and Water aspected) and then has an Earth below Heaven Form. After the form comes an Earth aspected mini-pinnacle and two charms that will (1) serve as a Celestial Initiation and (2) lead to a second form charm (Heaven above Earth Form). After that will come seven charms - one for each maiden, one for the moon, and a pinnacle for the sun. Heaven above Earth form may allow a martial artist to reflexively switch into Earth below Heaven form once per round. The style would be one that was taught to Dragonbloods in the First Age. It might be revived by the Cult of the Illuminated. It might also have been kept alive somewhere outside the Realm. Lookshy? Unlikely, but not impossible.
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 === <b><i>comments</b></i> ===
-I very much like your thoughts on MA. You should possibly check out [[MartialArtsSzilard/MartialArts/MistOnStillWaterStyle]] for an example of an extant high-Essence Celestial style. I don't really know <i>why</i> you should, but at least you seem like you won't get angry because it exists. Also, there's a link in the "justification" section there in which Rebecca Borgstrom suggests pretty much this very fix to the silliness. - [[SMK]]
+I very much like your thoughts on MA. You should possibly check out [[MartialArts/MistOnStillWaterStyle]] for an example of an extant high-Essence Celestial style. I don't really know <i>why</i> you should, but at least you seem like you won't get angry because it exists. Also, there's a link in the "justification" section there in which Rebecca Borgstrom suggests pretty much this very fix to the silliness. - [[SMK]]
 :No, I'm not angry because it exists. I do sort of think that you should keep the Sidereal Martial Arts requirement of learning another Martial Art first, though... if only because it simply doesn't seem right that someone's first Martial Art charm could be an Essence 4 charm. - [[Szilard]]

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 === <b><i>original martial arts styles</i></b> ===
-* MartialArts/CelestialDefenderStyle - A Celestial Martial Art based upon the awareness of weaknesses and the use of a shield as a weapon. Inspired by Captain America, of course.
+* [[MartialArts/CelestialDefenderStyle]] - A Celestial Martial Art based upon the awareness of weaknesses and the use of a shield as a weapon. Inspired by Captain America, of course.
-* MartialArts/GardaStyle - a Celestial "animal style" based on an elemental.
+* [[MartialArts/GardaStyle]] - a Celestial "animal style" based on an elemental.
 === <b><i>martial arts styles in development</i></b> ===
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 A third martial arts project: I'd like to design a straight-up Solar-designed high-Essence Martial Art.
-Ooh! I had an idea this morning for a MA practiced by powerful Spirits, Demons, and Eclipses/Moonshadows that uses Words of Power as its signature weapon. Deadly Words Style? Needs a better name... Oh, and the Form would make intelligible verbal communication impossible within Essence yards of the martial artist.
+Ooh! I had an idea this morning for a MA practiced by powerful Spirits, Demons, and Eclipses[[/Moonshadows]] that uses Words of Power as its signature weapon. Deadly Words Style? Needs a better name... Oh, and the Form would make intelligible verbal communication impossible within Essence yards of the martial artist.
 Yet another MA idea - this one from a challenge I posed to willows: Heaven above Earth Style. It begins with four charms (Air, Wood, Fire, and Water aspected) and then has an Earth below Heaven Form. After the form comes an Earth aspected mini-pinnacle and two charms that will (1) serve as a Celestial Initiation and (2) lead to a second form charm (Heaven above Earth Form). After that will come seven charms - one for each maiden, one for the moon, and a pinnacle for the sun. Heaven above Earth form may allow a martial artist to reflexively switch into Earth below Heaven form once per round. The style would be one that was taught to Dragonbloods in the First Age. It might be revived by the Cult of the Illuminated. It might also have been kept alive somewhere outside the Realm. Lookshy? Unlikely, but not impossible.
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 === <b><i>comments</b></i> ===
-I very much like your thoughts on MA. You should possibly check out MartialArts/MistOnStillWaterStyle for an example of an extant high-Essence Celestial style. I don't really know <i>why</i> you should, but at least you seem like you won't get angry because it exists. Also, there's a link in the "justification" section there in which Rebecca Borgstrom suggests pretty much this very fix to the silliness. - [[SMK]]
+I very much like your thoughts on MA. You should possibly check out [[MartialArts/MistOnStillWaterStyle]] for an example of an extant high-Essence Celestial style. I don't really know <i>why</i> you should, but at least you seem like you won't get angry because it exists. Also, there's a link in the "justification" section there in which Rebecca Borgstrom suggests pretty much this very fix to the silliness. - [[SMK]]
 :No, I'm not angry because it exists. I do sort of think that you should keep the Sidereal Martial Arts requirement of learning another Martial Art first, though... if only because it simply doesn't seem right that someone's first Martial Art charm could be an Essence 4 charm. - [[Szilard]]
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 :Sure. That works. - S
-One thing that I think is important to keep in mind is the Caste affiliation of SiderealCharms. Formless-technique Endings Charms could be about the end of discipline, for instance... some ideas that come to mind, for me:
+One thing that I think is important to keep in mind is the Caste affiliation of [[SiderealCharms]]. Formless-technique Endings Charms could be about the end of discipline, for instance... some ideas that come to mind, for me:
 * Combo MA and Brawl.
 * Use MA Charms with abnormal weaponry as long as you're not in a Form.
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 :::I disagree with you about the absoluteness of the rationality issue on two grounds, though: (1) I can easily see an obsessive and not-entirely-rational Solar having done this and (2) I think you are too quick to judge what might be a rational undertaking for someone whose lifetime is measured in millenia and who might have near unlimited resources and a rather obscure and varied set of needs. You're almost certainly correct for <i>most</i> Solars... but all it takes is one or two. -[[szilard]]
 ::::XP is the main resource in question, and it is the only resource that remains difficult to gather as Essence increases. Also, "someone incapable of being rational might have done it," is not really a very good answer to, "a rational person wouldn't."
-::::At any rate, I've said my spiel about Why I Think It Unlikely, so let's move on to the more interesting matter of What It Would Look Like! I mentioned this to Will, and I think I agree with him that such a style would need more internal structure than just a Form and a pinnacle; I think you would expect something like a chain of nesting Forms, or perhaps, as with PAoC, independently complete substyles that assemble into one grand style, &agrave; la Voltron. What're your ideas? - [[willows]]
+::::At any rate, I've said my spiel about Why I Think It Unlikely, so let's move on to the more interesting matter of What It Would Look Like! I mentioned this to Will, and I think I agree with him that such a style would need more internal structure than just a Form and a pinnacle; I think you would expect something like a chain of nesting Forms, or perhaps, as with [[PAoC]], independently complete substyles that assemble into one grand style, &agrave; la Voltron. What're your ideas? - [[willows]]
 :::::I can think of a couple ways to handle it... but, yes, structure would be needed. Unfortunately, I need to be at work now... -[[szilard]]
-:::::I like the idea that what differentiates between different types of martial arts is the starting point, not the end. As [[szilard]] mentioned, there are disadvantages to that approach. Maybe say something like all arts must have at least one charm per Essence level. Thus you could even have a Terrestrial art that reached up to Essence 7, although the pinnical would have depth of 7+, so it probably wouldn't be all that useful. -FlowsLikeBits
+:::::I like the idea that what differentiates between different types of martial arts is the starting point, not the end. As [[szilard]] mentioned, there are disadvantages to that approach. Maybe say something like all arts must have at least one charm per Essence level. Thus you could even have a Terrestrial art that reached up to Essence 7, although the pinnical would have depth of 7+, so it probably wouldn't be all that useful. -[[FlowsLikeBits]]
-:::::Okay... so a couple of considerations: I think it does matter who would actually create such a MA style and that individual's reasons for doing so, as it is likely that these styles wold be highly idiosyncratic. On the other hand, they are still Celestial level martial arts... and the canon CMA styles aren't terribly structurally interesting. I like the idea of something like PAoC (it has structure, but it is pretty straightforward), but working its way up from low essence to high... perhaps the first tier pinnacle charms are the second tier form(s). Here's an example: We assume a High-Essence First Age Solar Martial Artist wants to open a dojo for young Solars and Lunars. He has a huge ego and decides that aspiring martial artists should learn to fight like he does, so he begins to codify his fighting style into a martial art. We might imagine that he will require his students to master the basics in several areas (offence, defense, speed, balance, tickling ones enemies with feathers, etc.) which would amount to learning several seemingly separate (and seemingly complete) MA trees that, once they have mastered them, merge and continue on to greater Charms... -[[szilard]]
+:::::Okay... so a couple of considerations: I think it does matter who would actually create such a MA style and that individual's reasons for doing so, as it is likely that these styles wold be highly idiosyncratic. On the other hand, they are still Celestial level martial arts... and the canon CMA styles aren't terribly structurally interesting. I like the idea of something like [[PAoC]] (it has structure, but it is pretty straightforward), but working its way up from low essence to high... perhaps the first tier pinnacle charms are the second tier form(s). Here's an example: We assume a High-Essence First Age Solar Martial Artist wants to open a dojo for young Solars and Lunars. He has a huge ego and decides that aspiring martial artists should learn to fight like he does, so he begins to codify his fighting style into a martial art. We might imagine that he will require his students to master the basics in several areas (offence, defense, speed, balance, tickling ones enemies with feathers, etc.) which would amount to learning several seemingly separate (and seemingly complete) MA trees that, once they have mastered them, merge and continue on to greater Charms... -[[szilard]]
-Hehe! I'm doing your Heaven Over Earth thing backwards, starting with CMoSS. - [[willows]]
+Hehe! I'm doing your Heaven Over Earth thing backwards, starting with [[CMoSS]]. - [[willows]]