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 He ends up giving his Manse Cosmetic Powers [1], Passwords [3], Central Control [3], and Secret Doors and Passages [3].  Gabriel's Manse is a spreading, open-topped set of passages like a labyrinth; it's not very labyrinthine, though -- at least not to the naked eye.  A casual viewer might even think that it looks pretty straightforward.  It's surrounded by a small hedge maze which poses absolutely no barrier to the detemined.  The Manse's confusingness comes in with the secret doors and passages -- the place is absolutely full of them, the deceptively simple hallways surrounded by at least three each.  Those make it into a real maze for those who don't know the place.  Those doors and passages each have their own passwords, compounding the difficulties.  Gabriel can fully control those doors and passages from the Central Control Room overlooking the place, opening and closing them at will from a distance to confuse and lose those who try to come through the Manse; he can also change the passwords whenever he wants.  So to outsiders, if they're trying to get to Gabriel in the Central Control Room and he doesn't want them to find him, the Manse appears to be a constantly shifting set of hallways, disappearing doors and dead ends.  Gabriel can also get to most places within the Manse in record time, beating pursuers who don't know the passwords to certain passages or who don't even know that the passages exist.
-[[Shataina]]'s character [[Shataina/ManseCreation/IshiraAmakari|Ishira]] has a Level 4 Air Manse that was formulated using this system; the Manse's (fairly long) description is [http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Shataina/IshiraAmakari%23%23Manse here].
+[[Shataina]]'s character [[Shataina/IshiraAmakari|Ishira]] has a Level 4 Air Manse that was formulated using this system; the Manse's (fairly long) description is [http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Shataina/IshiraAmakari%23%23Manse here].
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 === Comments ===
-[[Shataina/ManseCreation/ManseCreationComments|Archived Comments]] ~ read these first; your question might be answered.
+[[Shataina/ManseCreationComments|Archived Comments]] ~ read these first; your question might be answered.
 Guys, this is a long page, and there have been multiple occasions on which someone's tried to edit it and the text has apparently been too long for their browser.  When your browser has a text field maximum like that, then the version you get, if you save it, ends up cutting off an end chunk of the page.  Don't save the page you're editing if you can't add text to the field, and don't save it if you see that the text in your field has text cut off.  You will end up accidentally deleting large chunks of content if you do -- it's easy to revert if you catch it in time, but not everyone always does.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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-:::Wow!  What an interesting question!<br><br>Huh.  Well, here's what I know: (1) My contracts state, "8. Trademark Production.  In consideration of the fee paid under this contract, the Writer agrees that, upon execution of this contract, he will not participate in any EXALTED or 'suitable for use with EXALTED' project except for the company or its licensees, unless the Writer receives direct written permission from the Company.  'Participation' shall include publication, writing, editing or other consultation on games or supplements.  This shall in no way limit the Writer's right to write magazine articles, reviews and the like."  (2) I asked for permission to leave my fan content up (like the stuff on this site and [http://www.shataina.com my thesis], for example), and received it.  That stuff, since I never sold it to them, technically belongs to me, I think -- but as you can see from my contract, I can't use it in any way the company doesn't approve.  (3) I also asked for permission to post some of the things I liked that had been cut from the books, could probably not effectively be used in future books, and had not been cut for any reason other than word count (frex, hadn't been cut because the developer thought it didn't suit the game), and [[Shataina/ManseCreation/CutForWordCount|I received that, too]] -- as long as I always run it by White Wolf when I do it.  I'm informed that that material technically belongs to them.<br><br>Sooo ... I'm allowed to give away some of the material that they own, as long as they won't otherwise publish it and they don't disapprove of it.  I'm also allowed to write minor amounts of material as a fan.  Selling a bunch of new material, though, would be a whole different ballgame.  I *could* ask their legal and development departments what they think of, say, putting the Exalted stamp on a PDF that was directly requested by the fans ... but I suspect the answer would be that they'd want to take a cut somehow, if authors were being paid (which is, really, totally reasonable -- it is their setting!).  I also suspect that once money became involved like that, they'd want to make sure the work was at least partly produced in the normal White Wolf way, going past a developer who would edit it and vet it as appropriate for the game line -- even if it would only end up being "published" on the Internet.<br><br>One thing that might work could be having the Wiki or RPGnet or something ask White Wolf for permission to run (or help run) a contest in which fans ask for certain material, a bunch of possible ideas for new work are posted ("expanded Familiar system", say, or "revamped Mandate of Heaven rules"), and then fans vote on which material is most deserving of being written -- then the top five concepts are put together in an outline that's overseen by the developer and written by whatever authors show interest / are asked to contribute.  Then the "contest book" could be released on PDF or something.  White Wolf has run contests before ... so I could maybe see this happening.  But I doubt they'd leave it so much as a Wiki Chair.  Hmmm ... I don't know; what do you think?<br>~ [[Shataina]] <i>White Wolf pays 3 cents plus, but it takes a little while to go up on the scale.</i>
+:::Wow!  What an interesting question!<br><br>Huh.  Well, here's what I know: (1) My contracts state, "8. Trademark Production.  In consideration of the fee paid under this contract, the Writer agrees that, upon execution of this contract, he will not participate in any EXALTED or 'suitable for use with EXALTED' project except for the company or its licensees, unless the Writer receives direct written permission from the Company.  'Participation' shall include publication, writing, editing or other consultation on games or supplements.  This shall in no way limit the Writer's right to write magazine articles, reviews and the like."  (2) I asked for permission to leave my fan content up (like the stuff on this site and [http://www.shataina.com my thesis], for example), and received it.  That stuff, since I never sold it to them, technically belongs to me, I think -- but as you can see from my contract, I can't use it in any way the company doesn't approve.  (3) I also asked for permission to post some of the things I liked that had been cut from the books, could probably not effectively be used in future books, and had not been cut for any reason other than word count (frex, hadn't been cut because the developer thought it didn't suit the game), and [[Shataina/CutForWordCount|I received that, too]] -- as long as I always run it by White Wolf when I do it.  I'm informed that that material technically belongs to them.<br><br>Sooo ... I'm allowed to give away some of the material that they own, as long as they won't otherwise publish it and they don't disapprove of it.  I'm also allowed to write minor amounts of material as a fan.  Selling a bunch of new material, though, would be a whole different ballgame.  I *could* ask their legal and development departments what they think of, say, putting the Exalted stamp on a PDF that was directly requested by the fans ... but I suspect the answer would be that they'd want to take a cut somehow, if authors were being paid (which is, really, totally reasonable -- it is their setting!).  I also suspect that once money became involved like that, they'd want to make sure the work was at least partly produced in the normal White Wolf way, going past a developer who would edit it and vet it as appropriate for the game line -- even if it would only end up being "published" on the Internet.<br><br>One thing that might work could be having the Wiki or RPGnet or something ask White Wolf for permission to run (or help run) a contest in which fans ask for certain material, a bunch of possible ideas for new work are posted ("expanded Familiar system", say, or "revamped Mandate of Heaven rules"), and then fans vote on which material is most deserving of being written -- then the top five concepts are put together in an outline that's overseen by the developer and written by whatever authors show interest / are asked to contribute.  Then the "contest book" could be released on PDF or something.  White Wolf has run contests before ... so I could maybe see this happening.  But I doubt they'd leave it so much as a Wiki Chair.  Hmmm ... I don't know; what do you think?<br>~ [[Shataina]] <i>White Wolf pays 3 cents plus, but it takes a little while to go up on the scale.</i>
 This is intresting, Lydia. Are you implying that components of this system appears in Oadenol's Codex? I Actually intended to PM you and ask you about that. I used the system for quite some time, and it often works great. Only thing is I alos ofte lackedpoits to make my ideas complete. One thing to consider for GL is to allow special components used in the construction to grant extra points. I used that, to a limited extent in artifacts However, I agree with Shataina that there is a discripancy between "[[CharGen]]" and Gained through play -[[Azurelight]]

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 He ends up giving his Manse Cosmetic Powers [1], Passwords [3], Central Control [3], and Secret Doors and Passages [3].  Gabriel's Manse is a spreading, open-topped set of passages like a labyrinth; it's not very labyrinthine, though -- at least not to the naked eye.  A casual viewer might even think that it looks pretty straightforward.  It's surrounded by a small hedge maze which poses absolutely no barrier to the detemined.  The Manse's confusingness comes in with the secret doors and passages -- the place is absolutely full of them, the deceptively simple hallways surrounded by at least three each.  Those make it into a real maze for those who don't know the place.  Those doors and passages each have their own passwords, compounding the difficulties.  Gabriel can fully control those doors and passages from the Central Control Room overlooking the place, opening and closing them at will from a distance to confuse and lose those who try to come through the Manse; he can also change the passwords whenever he wants.  So to outsiders, if they're trying to get to Gabriel in the Central Control Room and he doesn't want them to find him, the Manse appears to be a constantly shifting set of hallways, disappearing doors and dead ends.  Gabriel can also get to most places within the Manse in record time, beating pursuers who don't know the passwords to certain passages or who don't even know that the passages exist.
-[[Shataina]]'s character [[/IshiraAmakari|Ishira]] has a Level 4 Air Manse that was formulated using this system; the Manse's (fairly long) description is [http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Shataina/IshiraAmakari%23%23Manse here].
+[[Shataina]]'s character [[Shataina/ManseCreation/IshiraAmakari|Ishira]] has a Level 4 Air Manse that was formulated using this system; the Manse's (fairly long) description is [http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Shataina/IshiraAmakari%23%23Manse here].
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 === Further Notes ===
-This system only marks how good I'm willing to allow the Manses of player characters to be; it does not at all mark what I consider to be the limit of how good a Manse can be.  For all I care, there could be a super-secret Manse of Doom out there with a Level 5 Hearthstone and all the level 10 powers I've described; I wouldn't allow a PC to take it at character generation, though.  For example, for the purposes of this system, the Invisible Fortress is a Manse NShataina/[[ManseCreation/A]].
+This system only marks how good I'm willing to allow the Manses of player characters to be; it does not at all mark what I consider to be the limit of how good a Manse can be.  For all I care, there could be a super-secret Manse of Doom out there with a Level 5 Hearthstone and all the level 10 powers I've described; I wouldn't allow a PC to take it at character generation, though.  For example, for the purposes of this system, the Invisible Fortress is a Manse N/A.
 The excellent [[Morpheus]] helped me come up with a number of these powers and was in general a good sounding board.
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 As I said above, I've purposely not created "flaws" that a player could take within the Manse-building process to give himself more Manse Creation Points.  However, I have no real issue with Manse-related Flaws that give freebie points during character generation (or Merits that take them away).  I've already mentioned how the Hidden Manse Merit interacts with this system under [http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/wiki.pl?Shataina/ManseCreation%23%23Notoriety Notoriety]; here are a couple more ideas.
-<i>Legendary Manse:</i> This Merit costs ten points and requires 5 Manse as a prerequisite; it is roughly analogous to Legendary Artifact (reference: "[[Books/ExaltedPlayersGuide|Players' Guide]]"), and means that the player gets a Manse of level NShataina/[[ManseCreation/A]].  Mechanically, the player may take as many Powers as she wishes, or make up new ones wholesale with no regard for balance; the Manse need have no Drawbacks.  It is suggested, for the sake of drama if nothing else, that the Manse have some sort of world-shaking curse or problem attached to match its raw power, much like the NShataina/[[ManseCreation/A]] Artifact the Eye of Autocthon (reference: "[[Books/ExaltedStorytellersCompanion|Storyteller's Companion]]").
+<i>Legendary Manse:</i> This Merit costs ten points and requires 5 Manse as a prerequisite; it is roughly analogous to Legendary Artifact (reference: "[[Books/ExaltedPlayersGuide|Players' Guide]]"), and means that the player gets a Manse of level N/A.  Mechanically, the player may take as many Powers as she wishes, or make up new ones wholesale with no regard for balance; the Manse need have no Drawbacks.  It is suggested, for the sake of drama if nothing else, that the Manse have some sort of world-shaking curse or problem attached to match its raw power, much like the N/A Artifact the Eye of Autocthon (reference: "[[Books/ExaltedStorytellersCompanion|Storyteller's Companion]]").
 <i>Damaged Manse:</i> This Flaw has a variable cost and functions exactly as the "Damaged Artifact" Flaw (reference: "[[Books/ExaltedPlayersGuide|Players' Guide]]").
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 === Comments ===
-[[/ManseCreationComments|Archived Comments]] ~ read these first; your question might be answered.
+[[Shataina/ManseCreation/ManseCreationComments|Archived Comments]] ~ read these first; your question might be answered.
 Guys, this is a long page, and there have been multiple occasions on which someone's tried to edit it and the text has apparently been too long for their browser.  When your browser has a text field maximum like that, then the version you get, if you save it, ends up cutting off an end chunk of the page.  Don't save the page you're editing if you can't add text to the field, and don't save it if you see that the text in your field has text cut off.  You will end up accidentally deleting large chunks of content if you do -- it's easy to revert if you catch it in time, but not everyone always does.<br>~ [[Shataina]]
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-:::Wow!  What an interesting question!<br><br>Huh.  Well, here's what I know: (1) My contracts state, "8. Trademark Production.  In consideration of the fee paid under this contract, the Writer agrees that, upon execution of this contract, he will not participate in any EXALTED or 'suitable for use with EXALTED' project except for the company or its licensees, unless the Writer receives direct written permission from the Company.  'Participation' shall include publication, writing, editing or other consultation on games or supplements.  This shall in no way limit the Writer's right to write magazine articles, reviews and the like."  (2) I asked for permission to leave my fan content up (like the stuff on this site and [http://www.shataina.com my thesis], for example), and received it.  That stuff, since I never sold it to them, technically belongs to me, I think -- but as you can see from my contract, I can't use it in any way the company doesn't approve.  (3) I also asked for permission to post some of the things I liked that had been cut from the books, could probably not effectively be used in future books, and had not been cut for any reason other than word count (frex, hadn't been cut because the developer thought it didn't suit the game), and [[/CutForWordCount|I received that, too]] -- as long as I always run it by White Wolf when I do it.  I'm informed that that material technically belongs to them.<br><br>Sooo ... I'm allowed to give away some of the material that they own, as long as they won't otherwise publish it and they don't disapprove of it.  I'm also allowed to write minor amounts of material as a fan.  Selling a bunch of new material, though, would be a whole different ballgame.  I *could* ask their legal and development departments what they think of, say, putting the Exalted stamp on a PDF that was directly requested by the fans ... but I suspect the answer would be that they'd want to take a cut somehow, if authors were being paid (which is, really, totally reasonable -- it is their setting!).  I also suspect that once money became involved like that, they'd want to make sure the work was at least partly produced in the normal White Wolf way, going past a developer who would edit it and vet it as appropriate for the game line -- even if it would only end up being "published" on the Internet.<br><br>One thing that might work could be having the Wiki or RPGnet or something ask White Wolf for permission to run (or help run) a contest in which fans ask for certain material, a bunch of possible ideas for new work are posted ("expanded Familiar system", say, or "revamped Mandate of Heaven rules"), and then fans vote on which material is most deserving of being written -- then the top five concepts are put together in an outline that's overseen by the developer and written by whatever authors show interest / are asked to contribute.  Then the "contest book" could be released on PDF or something.  White Wolf has run contests before ... so I could maybe see this happening.  But I doubt they'd leave it so much as a Wiki Chair.  Hmmm ... I don't know; what do you think?<br>~ [[Shataina]] <i>White Wolf pays 3 cents plus, but it takes a little while to go up on the scale.</i>
+:::Wow!  What an interesting question!<br><br>Huh.  Well, here's what I know: (1) My contracts state, "8. Trademark Production.  In consideration of the fee paid under this contract, the Writer agrees that, upon execution of this contract, he will not participate in any EXALTED or 'suitable for use with EXALTED' project except for the company or its licensees, unless the Writer receives direct written permission from the Company.  'Participation' shall include publication, writing, editing or other consultation on games or supplements.  This shall in no way limit the Writer's right to write magazine articles, reviews and the like."  (2) I asked for permission to leave my fan content up (like the stuff on this site and [http://www.shataina.com my thesis], for example), and received it.  That stuff, since I never sold it to them, technically belongs to me, I think -- but as you can see from my contract, I can't use it in any way the company doesn't approve.  (3) I also asked for permission to post some of the things I liked that had been cut from the books, could probably not effectively be used in future books, and had not been cut for any reason other than word count (frex, hadn't been cut because the developer thought it didn't suit the game), and [[Shataina/ManseCreation/CutForWordCount|I received that, too]] -- as long as I always run it by White Wolf when I do it.  I'm informed that that material technically belongs to them.<br><br>Sooo ... I'm allowed to give away some of the material that they own, as long as they won't otherwise publish it and they don't disapprove of it.  I'm also allowed to write minor amounts of material as a fan.  Selling a bunch of new material, though, would be a whole different ballgame.  I *could* ask their legal and development departments what they think of, say, putting the Exalted stamp on a PDF that was directly requested by the fans ... but I suspect the answer would be that they'd want to take a cut somehow, if authors were being paid (which is, really, totally reasonable -- it is their setting!).  I also suspect that once money became involved like that, they'd want to make sure the work was at least partly produced in the normal White Wolf way, going past a developer who would edit it and vet it as appropriate for the game line -- even if it would only end up being "published" on the Internet.<br><br>One thing that might work could be having the Wiki or RPGnet or something ask White Wolf for permission to run (or help run) a contest in which fans ask for certain material, a bunch of possible ideas for new work are posted ("expanded Familiar system", say, or "revamped Mandate of Heaven rules"), and then fans vote on which material is most deserving of being written -- then the top five concepts are put together in an outline that's overseen by the developer and written by whatever authors show interest / are asked to contribute.  Then the "contest book" could be released on PDF or something.  White Wolf has run contests before ... so I could maybe see this happening.  But I doubt they'd leave it so much as a Wiki Chair.  Hmmm ... I don't know; what do you think?<br>~ [[Shataina]] <i>White Wolf pays 3 cents plus, but it takes a little while to go up on the scale.</i>
 This is intresting, Lydia. Are you implying that components of this system appears in Oadenol's Codex? I Actually intended to PM you and ask you about that. I used the system for quite some time, and it often works great. Only thing is I alos ofte lackedpoits to make my ideas complete. One thing to consider for GL is to allow special components used in the construction to grant extra points. I used that, to a limited extent in artifacts However, I agree with Shataina that there is a discripancy between "[[CharGen]]" and Gained through play -[[Azurelight]]