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‎Integrating Influence into Exalted

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== Integrating Influence into Exalted ==
The current social combat system in Exalted, while certainly superior in concept to other systems such as D&D's "Diplomacy DC 50 to make my lifelong nemesis embrace me as a brother", is severely lacking in certain aspects. While willpower makes sense for a heroic character to be able to use to resist social influence, the all-or-nothing nature of it with only potential Limit when resisting unnatural mental influence once a scene, is a very poor stick indeed. This rewrite intends to incorporate the idea of graduated levels of success into Exalted, permitting people to protect core ideals from social influence while still being susceptible unless they perform a truly heroic effort to resist the words of the Chosen. 

This system intends to use my Composure rework of Appearance as well. 

When making a social attack, you total the pool considering all relevant modifiers and roll it, subtracting your opponent's MDV [similarly modified by intimacies and the like]. Every success above your opponent's MDV generates a point of Influence. Influence is typically casual; intimate Influence requires a relevant intimacy: If someone has an intimacy of fear towards you, your intimidation is intimate Influence. Unnatural Influence requires a relevant intimacy and the social attack to be a form of appropriate unnatural mental influence. 

After Influence has been totaled, the successes are assigned to force the target to perform particular actions, limited by the level of Influence you have with the target: 
* A success of Casual Influence allows you to convince someone to do something they have no inherent objection to, reveal information that could cause some trouble but would not threaten their livelihood or life, or ensure the scene acts as a scene of social interaction for the formation of a new intimacy. Additonally, a success can be expended to make another success act as Intimate Influence, or ensure an order lasts for a scene rather than only as long as it takes to perform. 
* A success of Intimate Influence allows you to convince someone to take an action or reveal information that could endanger their livelihood or health or get them in serious trouble, act against or degrade an established intimacy. Intimate sway automatically lasts the scene barring someone else swaying the target against it or it being resisted, but an additional success can ensure it lasts for [target's Conviction] days. 
* Unnatural Influence can do all of the above, and even convince someone to act against or change their Motivation, temporarily; however, they get a free Willpower roll to resist this sway, and can resist with virtues, as listed below. 

After Influence is assigned, your target has the opportunity to resist. A given target has three basic options. 
Accept the Influence: The target spends no willpower and accepts all forms of Influence. They are compelled to obey the orders you gave, feel the emotions you inspired, and otherwise act according to your social influence. '''Extras automatically choose this option unless the Influence is casual and opposes their motivation or an intimacy. They may ONLY resist as below if the Influence is not intimate or unnatural and opposes an intimacy or their motivation.''' An extra can still choose to accept the Influence, even if it contradicts an intimacy, if they lack the willpower or virtue, or otherwise have sufficient cause to accept it in spite of those facts. 
Resist with Willpower: The target spends the willpower cost to resist -- normally 1wp, though charms can modify the cost -- and rolls their Willpower score. Every success permits them to counter a point of Influence dictated to them. 
Resist with Virtues: The target spends the willpower cost as per resisting with Willpower, plus one relevant virtue channel, such as Temperance to refuse a bribe or indulgence, or Valor to resist fear; they roll the channeled Virtue, and if they score even a single success, they may negate all Influence dictated to them. 
[Social defense charms' altered effects will come later]

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	<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier by giving an appropriate hook to play off of and impose MDV penalties. The intimacy can be broken as normal. In addition, the character suffers a -1 internal penalty on actions that contradict the emotional context of the intimacy, until they have suffered the penalty for [Conviction] scenes.<br>		<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier by giving an appropriate hook to play off of and impose MDV penalties. The intimacy can be broken as normal. In addition, the character suffers a -1 internal penalty on actions that contradict the emotional context of the intimacy, until they have suffered the penalty for [Conviction] scenes.<br>
	<i>Illusions</i> force a character to consider a belief to be true or false. Illusions are the most fragile of social influence, broken the moment the target is convinced of proof of the reality -- whether by stepping outside and seeing that the leaves have not yet turned brownor by receiving reports of the truth. A character laboring under an Illusion who attempts to take an action that would disregard the Illusion - ignoring the report of an army as unimportant, preparing for invasion by a Deathlord dffering peaceful coexistence - must spend 1 willpower per scene to do so. <br>		<i>Illusions</i> force a character to consider a belief to be true or false. Illusions are the most fragile of social influence, broken the moment the target is convinced of proof of the reality -- whether by stepping outside and seeing that the leaves have not yet turned brownor by receiving reports of the truth. A character laboring under an Illusion who attempts to take an action that would disregard the Illusion - ignoring the report of an army as unimportant, preparing for invasion by a Deathlord dffering peaceful coexistence - must spend 1 willpower per scene to do so. <br>
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		+	=== Social Abilities ===
		+	The previous system's definitions of Performance, Presence, and Socialize are obsolete. All social abilities work equally well for targetting individuals, social groups, and masses of unrelated people. The distinction comes in their usage; each ability is related to a particular sort of Influence. Using an Ability for the wrong sort of Influence imposes a -1 external penalty on the roll and necessitates a stunt.<br>
		+	<b>Performance</b> relates to the inspiring of hopes, dreams, and fears; Performance is linked to the Emotion influence.<br>
		+	<b>Presence</b> is the ability of command and force of personality; Presence is linked to the Compulsion influence.<br>
		+	<b>Socialize</b> governs rumor, belief, and manipulation of perceptions; Socialize is linked to the Illusion influence.<br>
		+	These three abilities are used for most social influence. However, other abilities have roles to play.<br>
		+	<b>Investigation</b>, in addition to its' uses for studying crime scenes and finding evidence, is linked to understanding the mind. A social influence action can be made to study someone in order to determine intimacies, virtues, and motivations. If the subject in question is being tested or displayed - a loving husband doting on his wife, a compassionate man listening to a speech filled with hateful rhetoric, and so on - this can be done with Perception. If attempting to get someone to 'spill the beans' with leading questions, the attribute used is Guile.<br>
		+	<b>Bureaucracy</b> is generally beyond the scope of social influence.<br>

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 The character's MDV may be modified at this point by relevant Intimacies, high Virtues, and the bonus for Motivation.  Bonuses from these are not capped; however, the penalties imposed may not exceed the attacker's Eloquence.<br>
-Once the form of social defense is chosen, if the social attack has not been completely prevented - whether through being Denied or use of an appropriate social charm - the social attacker then rolls her attack roll, and subtracts the character's MDV.  If the character Refuted the attack, they may spend willpower at this stage, rolling their Willpower and adding successes directly to their MDV.  If any successes remain, she adds her Eloquence to her successes to produce her Raw Damage, which is then reduced by the target's Composure and rolled.  Every success adds a point of Social Influence.   Once the total influence accumulated equals the target's Conviction, they are subject to the influence.<br>
+Once the form of social defense is chosen, if the social attack has not been completely prevented - whether through being Denied or use of an appropriate social charm - the social attacker then rolls her attack roll, and subtracts the character's MDV.  If the character Refuted the attack, they may spend willpower at this stage, rolling their Willpower and adding successes directly to their MDV.  If any successes remain, she adds her Eloquence to her successes to produce her Raw Damage, which is then reduced by the target's Composure and rolled.  Every success adds a point of Social Influence.   Once the total influence accumulated equals the target's Conviction, they are subject to the influence, which is typically a Compulsion, Emotion, or Illusion effect.<br>
-<i>Compulsions</i> compel a particular sort of action or behavior.  Typically this is a single action, though if the consequences are ongoing, the Compulsion is broken after [Conviction] scenes of performing the compelled act.<br>
+<i>Compulsions</i> compel a particular sort of action or behavior.  Typically this is a single action, though if the consequences are ongoing, the Compulsion is broken after [Conviction] scenes of performing the compelled act. NMI Compulsions cannot force someone to take an action that would harm them or their traits, including backgrounds. "Protect me" is acceptable, but "die for me" is not.  "Loan me your spare knife" usually works, but "give me your daiklave" is forbidden.  Telling the security guard to ignore you won't work if you're clearly a thief (as he'd lose his job), but if you can convince him you're a guest and permitted in the area, it is valid.<br>
-<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier.  The intimacy can be broken as normal. In addition, the character suffers a -1 internal penalty on actions that contradict the emotional context of the intimacy, until they have done so for [Conviction] scenes.<br>
+<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier by giving an appropriate hook to play off of and impose MDV penalties.  The intimacy can be broken as normal. In addition, the character suffers a -1 internal penalty on actions that contradict the emotional context of the intimacy, until they have suffered the penalty for [Conviction] scenes.<br>
 <i>Illusions</i> force a character to consider a belief to be true or false.  Illusions are the most fragile of social influence, broken the moment the target is convinced of proof of the reality -- whether by stepping outside and seeing that the leaves have not yet turned brownor by receiving reports of the truth.  A character laboring under an Illusion who attempts to take an action that would disregard the Illusion - ignoring the report of an army as unimportant, preparing for invasion by a Deathlord dffering peaceful coexistence - must spend 1 willpower per scene to do so. <br>

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 Once the form of social defense is chosen, if the social attack has not been completely prevented - whether through being Denied or use of an appropriate social charm - the social attacker then rolls her attack roll, and subtracts the character's MDV.  If the character Refuted the attack, they may spend willpower at this stage, rolling their Willpower and adding successes directly to their MDV.  If any successes remain, she adds her Eloquence to her successes to produce her Raw Damage, which is then reduced by the target's Composure and rolled.  Every success adds a point of Social Influence.   Once the total influence accumulated equals the target's Conviction, they are subject to the influence.<br>
 <i>Compulsions</i> compel a particular sort of action or behavior.  Typically this is a single action, though if the consequences are ongoing, the Compulsion is broken after [Conviction] scenes of performing the compelled act.<br>
-<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier.  This effect lasts until the intimacy is broken or shed through normal action.<br>
+<i>Emotions</i> forge an intimacy towards a person or ideal, making future influence easier.  The intimacy can be broken as normal. In addition, the character suffers a -1 internal penalty on actions that contradict the emotional context of the intimacy, until they have done so for [Conviction] scenes.<br>
 <i>Illusions</i> force a character to consider a belief to be true or false.  Illusions are the most fragile of social influence, broken the moment the target is convinced of proof of the reality -- whether by stepping outside and seeing that the leaves have not yet turned brownor by receiving reports of the truth.  A character laboring under an Illusion who attempts to take an action that would disregard the Illusion - ignoring the report of an army as unimportant, preparing for invasion by a Deathlord dffering peaceful coexistence - must spend 1 willpower per scene to do so. <br>

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 This system intends to use my Composure rework of Appearance as well.<br>
 Social influence is normally levied as a dramatic action, which typically takes up to one minute per social attack, but may be performed as a speed 6, DV -2 miscellaneous action in normal combat, though this imposes a -3 internal penalty.  The Monologue action is added to normal combat as well, as a Speed 6, DV -2 action that gives +1 die to the following social influence every second tick, which may be aborted early for a partial benefit.<br>
-When attempting social influence, the intent of the influence is stated first.  Generally, this is compelling a particular behavior - "Join an alliance with me". "Buy my wares". "Believe my report of an army camped to the south". "Form an intimacy towards me".  The character declares any charms she intends to use on the social influence, and the target [or targets] choose their form of resistance.<br>
+When attempting social influence, the intent of the influence is stated first.  Generally, this is compelling a particular, specific action or behavior - "Form an alliance with my nation". "Buy wares from me". "Believe my report of an army camped to the south". "Form an intimacy towards me".  The character declares any charms she intends to use on the social influence, and the target [or targets] choose their form of resistance.<br>
-When subjected to social influence, the target should write down a "Commitment Track" for this influence.  This is typically equal to their Conviction; however, intimacies, Virtues rated at 3+, and their Motivation can modify the track:<br>
+When subjected to social influence, the target should write down a "Commitment Track" for the influence in question.  This is typically equal to their Conviction; however, intimacies, Virtues rated at 3+, and their Motivation can modify the track:<br>
 * Relevant Intimacies add or subtract 1 Commitment Level, depending on whether the influence harms or supports the subject of the intimacy, in addition to any MDV modification.
 * A relevant Virtue at 3+ adds or subtracts 2 Commitment Levels, as with Intimacies.  Convincing a very Compassionate person to take an action that benefits many is easier, while convincing them of the justification of wanton slaughter is far harder.
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 After the form of defense is chosen, if the target has not completely negated the influence [whether through Virtue or an appropriate social defense charm], the character rolls her social attack, subtracting the appropriate MDV.  If any successes remain, they are applied to the target's Commitment track for the influence in question.  If the target has the option of spending willpower, such as if they applied their Parry MDV, they may pay the appropriate cost [usually 1wp, though some charms can increase the cost to resist] and roll their Willpower; every success reduces the 'damage' to the track by one level.<br>
-Once the target's Commitment track is filled, they are subject to the influence and must act appropriately.
+After spending two willpower in defense of a single track, the subject waives the cost of willpower to resist natural mental influence; they automatically get a Willpower roll when defending with PMDV, and can spend one Virtue channel and no willpower to completely ignore natural mental influence against that track.  Unnatural mental influence, however, always costs Willpower to resist.<br>
 [work in progress]

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 With MUCH credit to WoD: Mirrors, which has provided the basic founding idea for building this...
-== Integrating Influence into Exalted ==
+== Rewritten System: Social Influence ==
 The current social combat system in Exalted, while certainly superior in concept to other systems such as D&D's "Diplomacy DC 50 to make my lifelong nemesis embrace me as a brother", is severely lacking in certain aspects.  While willpower makes sense for a heroic character to be able to use to resist social influence, the all-or-nothing nature of it with only potential Limit when resisting unnatural mental influence once a scene, is a very poor stick indeed.  This rewrite intends to incorporate the idea of graduated levels of success into Exalted, permitting people to protect core ideals from social influence while still being susceptible unless they perform a truly heroic effort to resist the words of the Chosen.<br>
 This system intends to use my Composure rework of Appearance as well.<br>
-When making a social attack, you total the pool considering all relevant modifiers and roll it, subtracting your opponent's MDV [similarly modified by intimacies and the like].  Every success above your opponent's MDV generates a point of Influence.  Influence is typically casual; intimate Influence requires a relevant intimacy: If someone has an intimacy of fear towards you, your intimidation is intimate Influence.  Unnatural Influence requires a relevant intimacy and the social attack to be a form of appropriate unnatural mental influence.<br>
+Social influence is normally levied as a dramatic action, which typically takes up to one minute per social attack, but may be performed as a speed 6, DV -2 miscellaneous action in normal combat, though this imposes a -3 internal penalty.  The Monologue action is added to normal combat as well, as a Speed 6, DV -2 action that gives +1 die to the following social influence every second tick, which may be aborted early for a partial benefit.<br>
-After Influence has been totaled, the successes are assigned to force the target to perform particular actions, limited by the level of Influence you have with the target:<br>
+When attempting social influence, the intent of the influence is stated first.  Generally, this is compelling a particular behavior - "Join an alliance with me". "Buy my wares". "Believe my report of an army camped to the south". "Form an intimacy towards me".  The character declares any charms she intends to use on the social influence, and the target [or targets] choose their form of resistance.<br>
-After Influence is assigned, your target has the opportunity to resist.  A given target has three basic options.<br>
+When subjected to social influence, the target should write down a "Commitment Track" for this influence.  This is typically equal to their Conviction; however, intimacies, Virtues rated at 3+, and their Motivation can modify the track:<br>
-<b>Accept the Influence</b>: The target spends no willpower and accepts all forms of Influence.  They are compelled to obey the orders you gave, feel the emotions you inspired, and otherwise act according to your social influence.  '''Extras automatically choose this option unless the Influence is casual and opposes their motivation or an intimacy.  They may ONLY resist as below if the Influence is not intimate or unnatural and opposes an intimacy or their motivation.''' An extra can still choose to accept the Influence, even if it contradicts an intimacy, if they lack the willpower or virtue, or otherwise have sufficient cause to accept it in spite of those facts.<br>
+* Relevant Intimacies add or subtract 1 Commitment Level, depending on whether the influence harms or supports the subject of the intimacy, in addition to any MDV modification.
-<b>Resist with Willpower</b>: The target spends the willpower cost to resist -- normally 1wp, though charms can modify the cost -- and rolls their Willpower score.  Every success permits them to counter a point of Influence dictated to them.<br>
+* A relevant Virtue at 3+ adds or subtracts 2 Commitment Levels, as with Intimacies.  Convincing a very Compassionate person to take an action that benefits many is easier, while convincing them of the justification of wanton slaughter is far harder.
-<b>Resist with Virtues</b>: The target spends the willpower cost as per resisting with Willpower, plus one relevant virtue channel, such as Temperance to refuse a bribe or indulgence, or Valor to resist fear; they roll the channeled Virtue, and if they score even a single success, they may negate all Influence dictated to them.<br>
+* If the action goes against the target's Motivation, the Commitment track is doubled after all other modifiers.  If it supports their motivation, it is halved after all other modifiers.
-[Social defense charms' altered effects will come later]

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	== Integrating Influence into Exalted ==		== Integrating Influence into Exalted ==
	The current social combat system in Exalted, while certainly superior in concept to other systems such as D&D's "Diplomacy DC 50 to make my lifelong nemesis embrace me as a brother", is severely lacking in certain aspects. While willpower makes sense for a heroic character to be able to use to resist social influence, the all-or-nothing nature of it with only potential Limit when resisting unnatural mental influence once a scene, is a very poor stick indeed. This rewrite intends to incorporate the idea of graduated levels of success into Exalted, permitting people to protect core ideals from social influence while still being susceptible unless they perform a truly heroic effort to resist the words of the Chosen.<br>		The current social combat system in Exalted, while certainly superior in concept to other systems such as D&D's "Diplomacy DC 50 to make my lifelong nemesis embrace me as a brother", is severely lacking in certain aspects. While willpower makes sense for a heroic character to be able to use to resist social influence, the all-or-nothing nature of it with only potential Limit when resisting unnatural mental influence once a scene, is a very poor stick indeed. This rewrite intends to incorporate the idea of graduated levels of success into Exalted, permitting people to protect core ideals from social influence while still being susceptible unless they perform a truly heroic effort to resist the words of the Chosen.<br>