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	''Joker's Obsession Form'' seems a bit weak, especially for the cost (both mote and opportunity) [[nikink]]		''Joker's Obsession Form'' seems a bit weak, especially for the cost (both mote and opportunity) [[nikink]]
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		+	''Didn't See That Coming'' - I'd change the charm fail mode from 'charm enhanced vision' etc to something like "foe must make a Wits+Awareness roll or the Attack is unexpected", that roll could maybe be at a higher difficulty. Alternatively, have the charm provide a bonus chance to establish surprise. Or something. Maybe. Just throwing ideas out there... :) [[nikink]]

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	''Oops, Messed That Up'' is not very clear in what it does, or what you intend it to be doing. [[nikink]]		''Oops, Messed That Up'' is not very clear in what it does, or what you intend it to be doing. [[nikink]]
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		+	''Joker's Obsession Form'' seems a bit weak, especially for the cost (both mote and opportunity) [[nikink]]

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	Haven't read through all of them, yet, but looking briefly at ''Is That It?'' I notice that what you have made the effect is roughly the "Fierce Blow" combat manoeuver, with the obvious difference that the victim isn't getting the +2 damage. I suggest actually making the effect that the victim, in their unthinking madness really is forced to make Fierce Blows at the Joker, perhaps for a number of action equal to the Joker's Essence (or whatever). Yes, they'll have a bonus to damage, but the'll have the penalty to accuracy, penalty o defence ''and'' they will be forced into a sequence of actions of the Joker's choosing, not theirs. Fierce Blow is a full action, iirc, so no SImple Charm activations, no Dashing, no Guarding, no Clinching etc etc etc for (x) Actions. Another effect to think about might be a Limit based one. Such as forcing foe into ''Berserk Rage'' and all its negative effects, or maybe just increasing opponent's Limit pool if they try to resist your taunting instead of (or as well as) spending the WP ro resist. [[nikink]] ''more later when I get a chance''		Haven't read through all of them, yet, but looking briefly at ''Is That It?'' I notice that what you have made the effect is roughly the "Fierce Blow" combat manoeuver, with the obvious difference that the victim isn't getting the +2 damage. I suggest actually making the effect that the victim, in their unthinking madness really is forced to make Fierce Blows at the Joker, perhaps for a number of action equal to the Joker's Essence (or whatever). Yes, they'll have a bonus to damage, but the'll have the penalty to accuracy, penalty o defence ''and'' they will be forced into a sequence of actions of the Joker's choosing, not theirs. Fierce Blow is a full action, iirc, so no SImple Charm activations, no Dashing, no Guarding, no Clinching etc etc etc for (x) Actions. Another effect to think about might be a Limit based one. Such as forcing foe into ''Berserk Rage'' and all its negative effects, or maybe just increasing opponent's Limit pool if they try to resist your taunting instead of (or as well as) spending the WP ro resist. [[nikink]] ''more later when I get a chance''
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		+	''Oops, Messed That Up'' is not very clear in what it does, or what you intend it to be doing. [[nikink]]

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	Hmmmmmm. I realize now that <i>Jokers Obsession Form</i> and <i>Is that it?</i> Function in pretty much identical ways with the only differences being the form doesn't stack, require a roll or an attack. Is this ok? Or do I need to think up something else for the form? Maybe move the charm down the list? [[Muzz]]		Hmmmmmm. I realize now that <i>Jokers Obsession Form</i> and <i>Is that it?</i> Function in pretty much identical ways with the only differences being the form doesn't stack, require a roll or an attack. Is this ok? Or do I need to think up something else for the form? Maybe move the charm down the list? [[Muzz]]
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		+	Haven't read through all of them, yet, but looking briefly at ''Is That It?'' I notice that what you have made the effect is roughly the "Fierce Blow" combat manoeuver, with the obvious difference that the victim isn't getting the +2 damage. I suggest actually making the effect that the victim, in their unthinking madness really is forced to make Fierce Blows at the Joker, perhaps for a number of action equal to the Joker's Essence (or whatever). Yes, they'll have a bonus to damage, but the'll have the penalty to accuracy, penalty o defence ''and'' they will be forced into a sequence of actions of the Joker's choosing, not theirs. Fierce Blow is a full action, iirc, so no SImple Charm activations, no Dashing, no Guarding, no Clinching etc etc etc for (x) Actions. Another effect to think about might be a Limit based one. Such as forcing foe into ''Berserk Rage'' and all its negative effects, or maybe just increasing opponent's Limit pool if they try to resist your taunting instead of (or as well as) spending the WP ro resist. [[nikink]] ''more later when I get a chance''

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	:Good point, maybe make it a yard per success on the roll.... [[Muzz]]		:Good point, maybe make it a yard per success on the roll.... [[Muzz]]

−	Hmmmmmm. I realize now that <i>Jokers Obsession Form</i> and <i>Is that it?</i> Function in pretty much identical ways with the only differences being the form doesn't stack, require a roll or an attack. Is this ok? Or do I need to think up something else for the form? Maybe move the charm down the list? [[Muzz}}	+	Hmmmmmm. I realize now that <i>Jokers Obsession Form</i> and <i>Is that it?</i> Function in pretty much identical ways with the only differences being the form doesn't stack, require a roll or an attack. Is this ok? Or do I need to think up something else for the form? Maybe move the charm down the list? [[Muzz]]

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	''Before you can walk'' - if you intend for the tumbling dodge to be able to break flurries by moving the Joker out of reach, it needs the Counterattack Keyword. [[nikink]] ''(Probably shouldn't bother averaging the distance like that either, set it fixed or make it a roll maybe.)''		''Before you can walk'' - if you intend for the tumbling dodge to be able to break flurries by moving the Joker out of reach, it needs the Counterattack Keyword. [[nikink]] ''(Probably shouldn't bother averaging the distance like that either, set it fixed or make it a roll maybe.)''
	:Good point, maybe make it a yard per success on the roll.... [[Muzz]]		:Good point, maybe make it a yard per success on the roll.... [[Muzz]]
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		+	Hmmmmmm. I realize now that <i>Jokers Obsession Form</i> and <i>Is that it?</i> Function in pretty much identical ways with the only differences being the form doesn't stack, require a roll or an attack. Is this ok? Or do I need to think up something else for the form? Maybe move the charm down the list? [[Muzz}}

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   <b>Prereqs :</b> Before you can walk, I see you, Oops, messed that up.
-Not only is the Joker an Expect on all things Comedic, his training has allowed him to fall, twirl, spin, flip and land safely. Drawing on Essence has made this all easier for the Joker, and where there is essence there is potential for more mischief.  When the form is active, all of the gestures the Jokers makes seem to be harder to comprehend and lightened by a small glow. His words seem to carry with it a whimsical melody one moment and an out right rudeness the next. This translates in all of the Jokers attacks carrying with them an additional -1DV penalty to his opponent due to the difficulty to read his movements correctly. The Jokers words also seem to carry more power and credibility, giving the Jokers mental attacks the same reduction in the opponents mental defenses.
+Not only is the Joker an Expect on all things Comedic, his training has allowed him to fall, twirl, spin, flip and land safely. Drawing on Essence has made this all easier for the Joker, and where there is essence there is potential for more mischief.  When the form is active, all of the gestures the Jokers makes seem to be harder to comprehend and lightened by a small glow. His words seem to carry with it a whimsical melody one moment and an out right rudeness the next. This translates in a -1DV penalty to his opponent due to the difficulty to read his movements correctly. The Jokers words also seem to carry more power and credibility, with a similar reduction in the opponents mental defenses.
 <b><i>Where did that come from?</i></b>
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   <b>Prereqs :</b> Where did that come from?
-The Jokers greatest weapon is not the one he holds in his hand but the Wit he uses when confronted with adversity. The Jokers ability to drive the emotions of a crowd is his greatest strength and it is as true on the battlefield as in a tavern. Activating this charm in conjunction with an attack or a defensive action gives the Joker a chance to comment on the ability of his opponent to shape his mood to the Jokers liking. The Joker makes a (Manipulation + Performance) roll at a difficulty equal to the opponents Temperance. With a success the opponent is left feeling irritated by the Jokers remarks and feels the urge to put a stop to his endless chatter. Attacks made by the opponent now carry a -1 penalty to accuracy and -1DV as they try too hard to end the fight, leaving themselves open with their wild blows. This charm stacks a number of times up to the Jokers Essence and can be countered with the expenditure of a Willpower.
+The Jokers greatest weapon is not the one he holds in his hand but the Wit he uses when confronted with adversity. The Jokers ability to drive the emotions of a crowd is his greatest strength and it is as true on the battlefield as in a tavern. Activating this charm in conjunction with an attack or a defensive action gives the Joker a chance to comment on the ability of his opponent to shape his mood to the Jokers liking. The Joker makes a (Manipulation + Performance) roll at a difficulty equal to the opponents Temperance. With a success the opponent is left feeling irritated by the Jokers remarks and feels the urge to put a stop to his endless chatter by any means necessary. Attacks made by the opponent now carry a -1 penalty to accuracy and -1DV as they try too hard to end the fight, leaving themselves open with their wild blows. This charm stacks a number of times up to the Jokers Essence and can be countered with the expenditure of a Willpower.
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   <b>Prereqs :</b> Jokers Obsession Form
-Taking advantage of a dodge the Joker puts himself into a position to lash out as his enemy through any means of tumbling. This could be sweeping out his opponents legs from just inside the Jokers reach or flipping up onto one hand after a tumble and striking up with his feet at his enemy's jaw, the method of the attack is not important, the important part is that his enemy didn't see it coming. Thats what makes it funny. This attack is Unexpected and can only be dodged by characters with charm enhanced vision or charms that allow for use against unexpected attacks.
+Taking advantage of a dodge the Joker puts himself into a position to lash out as his enemy through any means of tumbling. This could be sweeping out his opponents legs from just inside the Jokers reach or flipping up onto one hand after a tumble and striking up with his feet at his enemy's jaw, the method of the attack is not important, the important part is that his enemy didn't see it coming. Thats what makes it funny. This attack is Unexpected and can only be dodged/parried by characters with charm enhanced vision or charms that allow for use against unexpected attacks.
 <b><i>Is that it?</i></b>
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   <b>Prereqs :</b> Where did that come from?
-The Jokers greatest weapon is not the one he holds in his hand but the Wit he uses when confronted with adversity. The Jokers ability to drive the emotions of a crowed is his greatest strength and it is as true on the battlefield as in a tavern. Activating this charm in conjunction with an attack or a defensive action gives the Joker a chance to comment on the ability of his opponent to shape his mood to the Jokers liking. The Joker makes a (Manipulation + Performance) roll at a difficulty equal to the opponents Temperance. With a success the opponent is left feeling irritated by the Jokers remarks and feels the urge to put a stop to his endless chatter. Attacks made by the opponent now carry a -1 penalty to accuracy and -1DV as they try too hard to end the fight, leaving themselves open with their wild blows. This charm stacks a number of times up to the Jokers Essence and can be countered with the expenditure of a willpower.
+The Jokers greatest weapon is not the one he holds in his hand but the Wit he uses when confronted with adversity. The Jokers ability to drive the emotions of a crowd is his greatest strength and it is as true on the battlefield as in a tavern. Activating this charm in conjunction with an attack or a defensive action gives the Joker a chance to comment on the ability of his opponent to shape his mood to the Jokers liking. The Joker makes a (Manipulation + Performance) roll at a difficulty equal to the opponents Temperance. With a success the opponent is left feeling irritated by the Jokers remarks and feels the urge to put a stop to his endless chatter. Attacks made by the opponent now carry a -1 penalty to accuracy and -1DV as they try too hard to end the fight, leaving themselves open with their wild blows. This charm stacks a number of times up to the Jokers Essence and can be countered with the expenditure of a Willpower.
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 === Charms ===
 <b><i>Before you can walk</i></b>
-  <b>Cost    :</b> 3m <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts (2) Essence (2)
+  <b>Cost    :</b> 2m <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts (2) Essence (2)
   <b>Type    :</b> Reflexive
   <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Counter Attack
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 The first thing a Joker needs to learn has nothing to do with offense but concentrates entirely on defense. What good is a Joker that gets hit before they can tumble? After activating this charm, the Joker gets to add their Athletics to their Dodge DV for a single attack in an attempt to dive or tumble out of the way. At the end of the attack the Joker will be a number of yards away from the opponent equal to the difference in his Dodge DV and the Opponents attack.
-<i>Added Counter Attack Keyword and changed distance away from opponent from (Dex + Athletics)/2 to the current wording.</i>
+<i>Added Counter Attack Keyword, Reduced cost from 3m, changed distance away from opponent from (Dex + Athletics)/2 to the current wording.</i>
 <b><i>I see you</i></b>
-  <b>Cost    :</b> 6m <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts (3) Essence (2)
+  <b>Cost    :</b> 4m <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts (3) Essence (2)
   <b>Type    :</b> Simple
   <b>Keywords:</b>
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 The second thing a Joker needs to learn to live to an old age is to be able to see trouble coming.  Upon activating this charm the Jokers scenes get heightened slightly, His eyes penetrate the darkness and his hearing sharpens so that he can dive away at the last moment. For the remainder of the scene the Joker is able to make a (Wits + Awareness) roll when an opponent announces an unexpected attack he would otherwise be able to see or hear. The difficulty for the roll is set at the attackers Essence. An arrow being loosed from the top of a building for example could be plausible depending on how far away the building is and the environment around the Joker.  This charm does not work against spirits or attacks that reduce Dodge DV to zero. On a success the attack is no longer unexpected and the Joker can use his Current DV. (this means that if the Joker was currently under a -2DV penalty his DV is still at -2DV even if he detects the attack)
-<i>Removed the restriction of Charms being Obvious</i>
+<i>Removed the restriction of Charms being Obvious, Reduced cost from 6m</i>
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 Not only is the Joker an Expect on all things Comedic, his training has allowed him to fall, twirl, spin, flip and land safely. Drawing on Essence has made this all easier for the Joker, and where there is essence there is potential for more mischief.  When the form is active, all of the gestures the Jokers makes seem to be harder to comprehend and lightened by a small glow. His words seem to carry with it a whimsical melody one moment and an out right rudeness the next. This translates in all of the Jokers attacks carrying with them an additional -1DV penalty to his opponent due to the difficulty to read his movements correctly. The Jokers words also seem to carry more power and credibility, giving the Jokers mental attacks the same reduction in the opponents mental defenses.
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   <b>Cost    :</b> 3m <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts (2) Essence (2)
   <b>Type    :</b> Reflexive
-  <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK
+  <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Counter Attack
   <b>Duration:</b> Instant
   <b>Prereqs :</b> None
-The first thing a Joker needs to learn has nothing to do with offense but concentrates entirely on defense. What good is a Joker that gets hit before they can tumble? After activating this charm, the Joker gets to add their Athletics to their Dodge DV for a single attack in an attempt to dive or tumble out of the way. At the end of the attack the Joker will be up to (Dex + Athletics)/2 yards away from the opponent if the dodge was successful.
+The first thing a Joker needs to learn has nothing to do with offense but concentrates entirely on defense. What good is a Joker that gets hit before they can tumble? After activating this charm, the Joker gets to add their Athletics to their Dodge DV for a single attack in an attempt to dive or tumble out of the way. At the end of the attack the Joker will be a number of yards away from the opponent equal to the difference in his Dodge DV and the Opponents attack.
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   <b>Prereqs :</b> Before you can walk...
-The second thing a Joker needs to learn to live to an old age is to be able to see trouble coming.  Upon activating this charm the Jokers scenes get heightened slightly, His eyes penetrate the darkness and his hearing sharpens so that he can dive away at the last moment. For the remainder of the scene the Joker is able to make a (Wits + Awareness) roll when an opponent announces an unexpected attack he would otherwise be able to see or hear. The difficulty for the roll is set at the attackers Essence. An arrow being loosed from the top of a building for example could be plausible depending on how far away the building is and the environment around the Joker.  This charm does not work against spirits, charms that do not have the Obvious Keyword or attacks that reduce Dodge DV to zero. On a success the attack is no longer unexpected and the Joker can use his Current DV. (this means that if the Joker was currently under a -2DV penalty his DV is still at -2DV even if he detects the attack)
+The second thing a Joker needs to learn to live to an old age is to be able to see trouble coming.  Upon activating this charm the Jokers scenes get heightened slightly, His eyes penetrate the darkness and his hearing sharpens so that he can dive away at the last moment. For the remainder of the scene the Joker is able to make a (Wits + Awareness) roll when an opponent announces an unexpected attack he would otherwise be able to see or hear. The difficulty for the roll is set at the attackers Essence. An arrow being loosed from the top of a building for example could be plausible depending on how far away the building is and the environment around the Joker.  This charm does not work against spirits or attacks that reduce Dodge DV to zero. On a success the attack is no longer unexpected and the Joker can use his Current DV. (this means that if the Joker was currently under a -2DV penalty his DV is still at -2DV even if he detects the attack)
 <b><i>Oops, messed that up</i></b>