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 Excellent Martial Arts tree. - [[Issaru]]
-Very cool idea and a nice excution.  I always liked those anime characters who could control their hair. <br> --BrilliantRain
+Very cool idea and a nice excution.  I always liked those anime characters who could control their hair. <br> --[[BrilliantRain]]
 <i>grins</i> Just wait until I get some more experience...Muhahahaha...Little Sera will be the most deadly walking Pantene ad in Creation - [[Dreaming Nymph]]
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 * Silken Brush Deflection: You might wish to lose the element of dropping pools beneath the character's Essence. Not only does this unnecessarily break meta-rules, but it means they have an almost perfect defence only two Charms down the tree (as, being Reflexive, it could be activated multiple times for the same attack).
 ::I believe this is correct; you can't dodge or parry an attack twice, but this isn't actually a dodge.  If it's not supposed to be usable more than once against an attack, you'll need to state this explicitly.  Also, the line about reducing pools to zero should go in the second paragraph, since it only applies if you have the Form up. - [[Quendalon]]
-* Veil of Hair Method: Perhaps adding Essence rather than Manipulation to SoH attempts would be more appropriate to the flavour of the Charm, and more balanced? Or perhaps Manipulation could replace Dexterity as the Attribute the check was based upon.
+* Veil of Hair Method: Perhaps adding Essence rather than Manipulation to [[SoH]] attempts would be more appropriate to the flavour of the Charm, and more balanced? Or perhaps Manipulation could replace Dexterity as the Attribute the check was based upon.
 :: Given that this is Martial Arts, shouldn't the Charm have some martial application? - [[Quendalon]]
 * Shield of Silken Glory: Perhaps too weak an effect, considering the improvements to soak Charms in the Players' Guide? You may wish to replace it with an ability to parry lethal attacks with hair, and move it down the tree.
 * Ribbon Feint Prana: The redirected attack: what basic die pool / number of automatic successes does it possess?
 * Lassitude of Dawn: The delerium effects are somewhat complex - perhaps it might be simpler to roll Dex + MA agaisnt a difficulty equal to the target's permanent Essence, inflicting a penalty equal to the net successes?
-* Cloud of Razors Technique: Do the successes mentioned on the Charm's first activation add to damage? I presume not, but it might want to be clarified....DeathBySurfeit
+* Cloud of Razors Technique: Do the successes mentioned on the Charm's first activation add to damage? I presume not, but it might want to be clarified....[[DeathBySurfeit]]
-:Replying to all questions above as best I can - the fluff was all MelWong's, but we worked out the mechanics together. First up, we under-costed the two-phase Charms deliberately because of their dependency on having the Form Charm active for use - in fact much of the style has that clause, but this is just to explain the reasoning. Anyway, specific stuff...
+:Replying to all questions above as best I can - the fluff was all [[MelWong]]'s, but we worked out the mechanics together. First up, we under-costed the two-phase Charms deliberately because of their dependency on having the Form Charm active for use - in fact much of the style has that clause, but this is just to explain the reasoning. Anyway, specific stuff...
 **Wealth of Braids Meditation: I can see the argument here, yeah. Increasing the cost to 3-4m probably wouldn't be out of line, even though it affects two entirely seperate pools.
 **Silken Brush Deflection: It can only be used once per any given attack (<i>edit made to that effect</i>) and again it's a two-phase effect - you have to have the Form active to be able to cause an attack to fail. It is quite powerful, it is also quite expensive.
-**Veil of Hair Method: Again, it's a two-phase Charm so the SoH boost being dependent on having the Form active let us undercost the effect somewhat - part of the power of MartialArts is cross-Style effects, Silken Lash is very self-contained, so we took that into consideration. As for the combat use of it, while (granted) the social stealth bit is more for staying out of a fight, sleight-of-hand can easily be used in a fight.
+**Veil of Hair Method: Again, it's a two-phase Charm so the [[SoH]] boost being dependent on having the Form active let us undercost the effect somewhat - part of the power of [[MartialArts]] is cross-Style effects, Silken Lash is very self-contained, so we took that into consideration. As for the combat use of it, while (granted) the social stealth bit is more for staying out of a fight, sleight-of-hand can easily be used in a fight.
 **Shield of Silken Glory: Yes, it's kinda weak. It's also pre-Form and in a Style that is far more about not getting hit than it is about being able to take it. The two-phase effect makes up for it, though - giving a decent boost to soak for a relatively low cost.
 **Ribbon Feint Prana: The Charm text says that if the attack is redirected it is treated as if it had been aimed at the new target all along. If the attacker gets 7 successes on his roll, and the Silken Lash stylist gets 9 on the "parry" granted by this Charm, then the attack gets directed at a person of the stylist's choice, with the full 7 successes (or 9 if the Form is up).
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 * Having the ability to negate attacks entirely with Silken Brush Deflection. Why is this Charm the exception to the rule? Combined with an artifact shield, you're looking at diepool reductions in the order of 12, for an experienced martial artist, and about 8 for a relative novice. From a pre-Form Charm, too. Additionally, people may exploit the 'reduce below Essence' clause to reduce their diepools using other means, and then 'bumping' with SBD.
 * Ribbon Feint Prana, as it has been defined, is considerably more powerful than the strongest redirection Charms, each of which have large prerequisites. The precedent is to allow leftover success to <i>begin</i> the second attack, rather than increasing it above its initial strength (!!). Consider being attacked with 9 successes (ouch): you dodge (likely reflexively, from a scene-long Charm), and then use RFP. If you're talented, you'll negate it with a spare success, meaning your attacker (who doubtless has used a Charm to get so many successes) is struck back with 10 successes. I would seriously suggest you consider alternative mechanics.
-I love the concept, flavour and descriptions of the tree, so please excuse me if I'm being too persistent; I'd dearly love to see the Style complete and featured in one of my games...DeathBySurfeit
+I love the concept, flavour and descriptions of the tree, so please excuse me if I'm being too persistent; I'd dearly love to see the Style complete and featured in one of my games...[[DeathBySurfeit]]
 Preface: I have not read any other comments on this style. I'm kinda feeling snarky today, so I'm going to exaggerate my objections to this Style for my own amusement.
-WoBM: I ''hate'' it when people start of Martial Arts styles with non-martial Charms. It's so pointless. Given a character with this Style, I would ''never'' use this Charm in combat. F.
+[[WoBM]]: I ''hate'' it when people start of Martial Arts styles with non-martial Charms. It's so pointless. Given a character with this Style, I would ''never'' use this Charm in combat. F.
 SBD: Overcosted when the Form is down and drastically undercosted when it's up. Pick one and make it work. C.
-VoHM: Another Charm with precisely zero martial application. But it has potential to be expanded in that direction easily. D-.
+[[VoHM]]: Another Charm with precisely zero martial application. But it has potential to be expanded in that direction easily. D-.
-SoSG: This is expensive enough that it shouldn't need the Form to add to lethal soak. B.
+[[SoSG]]: This is expensive enough that it shouldn't need the Form to add to lethal soak. B.
 The Form: "Charms in the cascade preceding the Form gain additional effects if activated while the Form is up. None of the post-Form Charms may be activated unless Silken Lash Form is up." is lame. Other than that, this has really cool effects. B.
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 MMLI: Cool. A.
-ToSO: I'd like it better if you could create the hairwhip by using this Charm with an additional cost. B.
+[[ToSO]]: I'd like it better if you could create the hairwhip by using this Charm with an additional cost. B.
 Lassitude of Dawn After Evening: This Charm's name is so cool I had to type the whole thing out. A.
-CoRT: This seems much too cheap for its effects. C+.
+[[CoRT]]: This seems much too cheap for its effects. C+.
 - [[willows]]
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 :::Now please explain to me how I misrepresented your comment. You insinuated that I said a Dawn Caste is a fighting machine, and I stated that this was not only not my statement, but also not the case. - [[willows]]
-:::: Just because you don't like the style(DPCS) doesn't make it any less valid. It is still canon, and still precedence. Last I checked, the MartialArts page was for <i>anyone</i> with a new idea on an Exalted MA, not the "Only The Styles Willows Likes" page. As to the "Martial Arts are just another way to hit someone until he falls down; a way to solve problems with violence." comment, I know several martial artists that would heartily disagree. If you take it as face value, then sure, its all a bunch of punching, kicking, and trying to look cool while barefoot in a silly white suit. But if that's all that there is, why bother making new ones? There's only so many ways to say "I hit him, he falls down" before it all gets really boring [[Dreaming Nymph]]
+:::: Just because you don't like the style(DPCS) doesn't make it any less valid. It is still canon, and still precedence. Last I checked, the [[MartialArts]] page was for <i>anyone</i> with a new idea on an Exalted MA, not the "Only The Styles Willows Likes" page. As to the "Martial Arts are just another way to hit someone until he falls down; a way to solve problems with violence." comment, I know several martial artists that would heartily disagree. If you take it as face value, then sure, its all a bunch of punching, kicking, and trying to look cool while barefoot in a silly white suit. But if that's all that there is, why bother making new ones? There's only so many ways to say "I hit him, he falls down" before it all gets really boring [[Dreaming Nymph]]
-As a side note, take a look at the shiny new DovesPurityStyle, a completely NON COMBAT MA STYLE. Gotta love it. [[Dreaming Nymph]]
+As a side note, take a look at the shiny new [[DovesPurityStyle]], a completely NON COMBAT MA STYLE. Gotta love it. [[Dreaming Nymph]]
 :"Unlike most students of Tai Chi, the master of Doves Purity Style also learns many powerful <i>blocks, throws, and other defensive manuveurs</i>."? _[[JW]]
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 : Ditto. I thought the Martial Art was a lovely idea, and so does one of my players; it was the drive to see it compatible with my game and my fondness for its potential that drove me to post my suggestions. Remember also that there have been multitudes here who have seen your Charms, enjoyed them, drawn inspiration from them and very likely used them, but that haven't commented because they liked it just great as it is.
-: A dismissive person, however vocal or scathing, is still just one dismissive person. Suggestions, however critical, are still suggestions. That your Charm has drawn so much attention and formed the centre of such a large debate is a thing of prestige, not of shame. I very much look forward to seeing your future work, if you decide to share it with us ungrateful lot...DeathBySurfeit
+: A dismissive person, however vocal or scathing, is still just one dismissive person. Suggestions, however critical, are still suggestions. That your Charm has drawn so much attention and formed the centre of such a large debate is a thing of prestige, not of shame. I very much look forward to seeing your future work, if you decide to share it with us ungrateful lot...[[DeathBySurfeit]]
 :Please don't stop posting!! I love this style just the way it is, and plan on devastating Creation with my mastery of Hair Fu as soon as I a)save up some more XP, and b) get a spare minute in downtime to train. Your ideas are great, and I love fresh new takes on Martial Arts charms. I, uh, also think we're an ungrateful lot. Sorry for arguing... - [[Dreaming Nymph]]
 Half of the comments here -should- have gone into the debate somewhere else about non-combat martial arts, as they're not specific to this style. Feh... There are too many nice martial arts out there (including this one), that's the problem. Which to pick? <br> -- [[Darloth]]<i> suggests that maybe people could move their unrelated comments at some point?</i>

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