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These charms are natural developments of Solar Hero and Unconquered Hero style. They may only be learned by Solars and Moonshadow Caste Abyssals.

*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsAttack
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsClinch
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDamage
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDefense
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsExtraActions
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsGeneral
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsRangedArea
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsSolarHeroStyleExpansions
*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsSwiftness

=== Comments ===
These are the majority of my 1E Brawl Charms. Many of my Solar Brawl charms that were "weird" were converted to a companion style for Solar Hero Style, MartialArts/UnconquerableHeroStyle . -- IsawaBrian

Turned Stand Against the Waves into Brilliant Sunlit Defense, a Step 6 perfect defense. Also, I rated a lot of these charms as being more expensive than usual because they're based off Martial Arts Charms, which aren't, usually, as powerful as Solar ones; I decided to degrade efficiency rather than output in this case. However, I'm starting to think that I should return the efficiency to normal and keep the output anyway, since they're Solar-only. -- IsawaBrian

:Just adding an opinion that yes, Solar-only Martial Arts charms should be as powerful and efficient as other Solar charms. MA may be cross-platform, but it's not the raw power of Solars. As a Solar, you can either go with Sun Hero Style, and thus get access to your true inner power, or you can diversify, gaining other weird powers, but not taking advantage of the fact that yes, you are better than everyone. Plus, it means that Solar brawlers and martial artists won't always be weaker than their melee counterparts. -- GreenLantern

I agree with GL. I would also like to note 2 things. one is in regard to unarmed defenses. You made them A little more expensive, which is as it should be, I suppose. However, I suggest that you change the cost so thal parrying of lethal cost more if you have no other means of doing so.

exemple: MA HGD costs 3 if the attack is bashing or if you are armed or 5 m if you can't parry lethal attack normaly.
Does that make any sense?
ALso, regarding specific charms, The only one I found is your mass combat charms, tha allow you to overide the mass combat rules. I'd rather see them being War charms rather then specific combat charms for each ability. But maby , you have done that?
-[[Azurelight]]

Alright; when I get home tonight, I'm going to return the Essence efficiency to normal. I'm not sure I'll make the split on unarmed attacks, though, especially since SSE is <i>cheaper</i> than HGD now. As for the mass combat stuff-- do you mean the nuke charms, or the presence warlord charms? The nuke charms are staying where they are; what War gets at similar Essence levels will, I assure you, be SCARY. The presence ones will be moving, though, yeah. -- IsawaBrian

Done -- IsawaBrian

Isawa; Just realised what the problem I had with your charms was: (I mentioned it months ago) I like them, put in som instances they lack diffrentiation. Alot of the Barwl charms are excactly the same as meele charms. While this is fina at a basic level, (about to the levle of the core book) I don't think it should continue to higher essence levels.. I admitt that this diffrentiation is hard, but I think it is important,since ther has got to be some reason to take meeleebefoyd lower mote cost. -[[Azurelight]]
:(Finally getting back to this) In many ways, that's the point. I've added a lot of special effect charms, like the Shadowblade stuff in Melee, but as for certain basic effects-- multiattack, perfects, defenses, etc., there shouldn't be a difference in <i>capability</i> between the various Ability types. A martial artist and a swordsman should both be able to have the same scope in terms of output, with the differences being thematic, not mechanical. At least, to me. I want to put things so that no one has to say "Well, a meleeist is the only way to be a REALLY good Dawn," or "Only martial artists get Fully Independent Actions, so my archer is going to have to take MA to be a badass archer at the high-Essence levels." I want to develop the skeleton, and then go out into Other Stuff from there. -- IsawaBrian

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 These charms are natural developments of Solar Hero and Unconquered Hero style.  They may only be learned by Solars and Moonshadow Caste Abyssals.
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsAttack]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsAttack]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsClinch]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsClinch]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsDamage]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDamage]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsDefense]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDefense]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsExtraActions]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsExtraActions]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsGeneral]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsGeneral]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsRangedArea]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsRangedArea]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsSolarHeroStyleExpansions]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsSolarHeroStyleExpansions]]
-*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsSwiftness]]
+*[[IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsSwiftness]]
 === Comments ===
-These are the majority of my 1E Brawl Charms.  Many of my Solar Brawl charms that were "weird" were converted to a companion style for Solar Hero Style, [[MartialArtsMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/UnconquerableHeroStyle]] . -- [[IsawaBrian]]
+These are the majority of my 1E Brawl Charms.  Many of my Solar Brawl charms that were "weird" were converted to a companion style for Solar Hero Style, [[MartialArts/UnconquerableHeroStyle]] . -- [[IsawaBrian]]
 Turned Stand Against the Waves into Brilliant Sunlit Defense, a Step 6 perfect defense.  Also, I rated a lot of these charms as being more expensive than usual because they're based off Martial Arts Charms, which aren't, usually, as powerful as Solar ones; I decided to degrade efficiency rather than output in this case.  However, I'm starting to think that I should return the efficiency to normal and keep the output anyway, since they're Solar-only. -- [[IsawaBrian]]

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 ----<b><i>Storm Shelter Block</b></i>
-   <b>Cost:</b> 4m; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 4, Essence 2; <b>Type:</b> Reflexive (Step 2)
+   <b>Cost:</b> 3m; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 4, Essence 2; <b>Type:</b> Reflexive (Step 2)
    <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Obvious
    <b>Duration:</b> Instant
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    <b>Keywords:</b> None
    <b>Prerequisite Charms:</b> Storm Shelter Block
-The Solar develops the ability to "store" pre-prepared invocations of Storm-Shelter Block in advance.  The character may prepare one invocation of Storm Shelter Block for the regular 4 mote cost, which she may then invoke again at any time when it would ordinarily be used.  Preparing a Storm Shelter Block counts as a Charm Action; using it later does not.  The motes used remained committed until the invocation is released.  At Essence 6 or higher, the Lawgiver may prepare up to her Martial Arts score in invocations of Storm Shelter Block, reducing their cost to 3 motes each.
+The Solar develops the ability to "store" pre-prepared invocations of Storm-Shelter Block in advance.  The character may prepare one invocation of Storm Shelter Block for the regular 3 mote cost, which she may then invoke again at any time when it would ordinarily be used.  Preparing a Storm Shelter Block counts as a Charm Action; using it later does not.  The motes used remained committed until the invocation is released.  At Essence 6 or higher, the Lawgiver may prepare up to her Martial Arts score in invocations of Storm Shelter Block, reducing their cost to 2 motes each.
 ----<b><i>Above the Fray Attitude</b></i>

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    <b>Cost:</b> 2m per attack; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 3, Essence 2; <b>Type:</b> Extra Action
    <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Obvious
-   <b>Duration:</b> One scene
+   <b>Duration:</b> Instant
    <b>Prerequisite Charms:</b>  Abrupt Jab
 The Exalt focuses his corona of essence inwards, forming a sphere of power around his center. In an instant, the Solar unleashes this essence, his limbs blurring in an array of attacks, which may be applied to a single attacker or many.  This Charm is a magical
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    <b>Cost:</b> 5m, 1wp; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 5, Essence 2; <b>Type:</b> Extra Action
    <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Obvious
-   <b>Duration:</b> One scene
+   <b>Duration:</b> Instant
    <b>Prerequisite Charms:</b>  Thunder From the Center, Hammer on Iron Technique
 Even the most uncivilized and brutal of battlers can find a poetry of motion, speed, and devastating attacks. By concentrating on the essence flow of battle, the Exalt can find a peak point to that poetry, that beat in the song, and unleash a series of deadly combinations, acting with speed and control to bring destruction to her foes.  The character may make a magical Martial Arts flurry as per Thunder From the Center, save that it has a flat cost and a total of (the Solar’s Dexterity +1) attacks in the flurry.

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    <b>Cost:</b> 10m, 2wp; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 6, Essence 6; <b>Type:</b> Supplemental
    <b>Keywords:</b> Combo-OK, Obvious
-   <b>Duration:</b> Until the Clinch Ends
+   <b>Duration:</b> One Scene
    <b>Prerequisite Charms:</b> Burning Perforation Force
 The raw potency of Solar wrath cannot be contained. When Forge-Fire Fist Style is activated, the Solar's body is surrounded by a highly visible corona of sunlit fire. This aura transforms the Solar's Martial Arts attacks into assaults of such deadly power as to actually damage-- and potentially destroy-- the target's spirit. For the rest of the scene, add the Solar's permanent Essence to her damage for all Martial Arts attacks. All damage dealt via Martial Arts attacks is aggravated. Anything killed by the character’s Martial Arts attacks during the scene has its spirit annihilated to the raw core; reincarnations will remember nothing, no ghosts will appear in the Underworld, and it may permanently slay spirits. It is said that extremely powerful medicine/occult/lore charms might be able to re-knit the damaged remnants of such a reincarnated being, by dipping into the Akashic Record to reconstruct the totality. Nothing less will serve.

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    <b>Keywords:</b> None
    <b>Prerequisite Charms:</b> Storm Shelter Block
-The Solar develops the ability to "store" pre-prepared invocations of Storm-Shelter Block in advance.  The character may prepare one invocation of Storm Shelter Block for the regular 5 mote cost, which she may then invoke again at any time when it would ordinarily be used.  Preparing a Storm Shelter Block counts as a Charm Action; using it later does not.  The motes used remained committed until the invocation is released.  At Essence 6 or higher, the Lawgiver may prepare up to her Martial Arts score in invocations of Storm Shelter Block, reducing their cost to the normal 4 motes each.
+The Solar develops the ability to "store" pre-prepared invocations of Storm-Shelter Block in advance.  The character may prepare one invocation of Storm Shelter Block for the regular 4 mote cost, which she may then invoke again at any time when it would ordinarily be used.  Preparing a Storm Shelter Block counts as a Charm Action; using it later does not.  The motes used remained committed until the invocation is released.  At Essence 6 or higher, the Lawgiver may prepare up to her Martial Arts score in invocations of Storm Shelter Block, reducing their cost to 3 motes each.
 ----<b><i>Above the Fray Attitude</b></i>

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-*IsawaBrian
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 These charms are natural developments of Solar Hero and Unconquered Hero style.  They may only be learned by Solars and Moonshadow Caste Abyssals.
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsAttack
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsAttack]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsClinch
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsClinch]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDamage
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsDamage]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsDefense
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsDefense]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsExtraActions
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsExtraActions]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsGeneral
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsGeneral]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsRangedArea
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsRangedArea]]
-*IsawaBrian/SolarMartialArtsSwiftness
+*[[IsawaBrianMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/SolarMartialArtsSolarHeroStyleExpansions]]
 === Comments ===
-These are the majority of my 1E Brawl Charms.  Many of my Solar Brawl charms that were "weird" were converted to a companion style for Solar Hero Style, MartialArts/UnconquerableHeroStyle . -- IsawaBrian
+These are the majority of my 1E Brawl Charms.  Many of my Solar Brawl charms that were "weird" were converted to a companion style for Solar Hero Style, [[MartialArtsMartialArts/NaturalSolarCharms/UnconquerableHeroStyle]] . -- [[IsawaBrian]]
-Turned Stand Against the Waves into Brilliant Sunlit Defense, a Step 6 perfect defense.  Also, I rated a lot of these charms as being more expensive than usual because they're based off Martial Arts Charms, which aren't, usually, as powerful as Solar ones; I decided to degrade efficiency rather than output in this case.  However, I'm starting to think that I should return the efficiency to normal and keep the output anyway, since they're Solar-only. -- IsawaBrian
+Turned Stand Against the Waves into Brilliant Sunlit Defense, a Step 6 perfect defense.  Also, I rated a lot of these charms as being more expensive than usual because they're based off Martial Arts Charms, which aren't, usually, as powerful as Solar ones; I decided to degrade efficiency rather than output in this case.  However, I'm starting to think that I should return the efficiency to normal and keep the output anyway, since they're Solar-only. -- [[IsawaBrian]]
-:Just adding an opinion that yes, Solar-only Martial Arts charms should be as powerful and efficient as other Solar charms. MA may be cross-platform, but it's not the raw power of Solars. As a Solar, you can either go with Sun Hero Style, and thus get access to your true inner power, or you can diversify, gaining other weird powers, but not taking advantage of the fact that yes, you are better than everyone. Plus, it means that Solar brawlers and martial artists won't always be weaker than their melee counterparts. -- GreenLantern
+:Just adding an opinion that yes, Solar-only Martial Arts charms should be as powerful and efficient as other Solar charms. MA may be cross-platform, but it's not the raw power of Solars. As a Solar, you can either go with Sun Hero Style, and thus get access to your true inner power, or you can diversify, gaining other weird powers, but not taking advantage of the fact that yes, you are better than everyone. Plus, it means that Solar brawlers and martial artists won't always be weaker than their melee counterparts. -- [[GreenLantern]]
 I agree with GL. I would also like to note 2 things. one is in regard to unarmed defenses. You made them A little more expensive, which is as it should be, I suppose. However, I suggest that you change the cost so thal parrying of lethal cost more if you have no other means of doing so.
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 -[[Azurelight]]
-Alright; when I get home tonight, I'm going to return the Essence efficiency to normal.  I'm not sure I'll make the split on unarmed attacks, though, especially since SSE is <i>cheaper</i> than HGD now.  As for the mass combat stuff-- do you mean the nuke charms, or the presence warlord charms?  The nuke charms are staying where they are; what War gets at similar Essence levels will, I assure you, be SCARY.  The presence ones will be moving, though, yeah. -- IsawaBrian
+Alright; when I get home tonight, I'm going to return the Essence efficiency to normal.  I'm not sure I'll make the split on unarmed attacks, though, especially since SSE is <i>cheaper</i> than HGD now.  As for the mass combat stuff-- do you mean the nuke charms, or the presence warlord charms?  The nuke charms are staying where they are; what War gets at similar Essence levels will, I assure you, be SCARY.  The presence ones will be moving, though, yeah. -- [[IsawaBrian]]
-Done -- IsawaBrian
+Done -- [[IsawaBrian]]
 Isawa; Just realised what the problem I had with your charms was: (I mentioned it months ago) I like them, put in som instances they lack diffrentiation. Alot of the Barwl charms are excactly the same as meele charms. While this is fina at a basic level, (about to the levle of the core book)  I don't think it should continue to higher essence levels.. I admitt that this diffrentiation is hard, but I think it is important,since ther has got to be some reason to take meeleebefoyd lower mote cost. -[[Azurelight]]

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