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 The first pinnacle of the way of the Harmonious Solar Warrior allows the Dawn performing the Form Charm to fully merge the physical expressions of combativeness.  The restriction and geomantic misarrangement of armor over a body is realigned by the Harmonious Solar Warrior Form, allowing him to use any Martial Arts charm with armor, even if they would ordinarily not be allowed to do so.  This Charm also harmonizes the Solar with the mirror image of orichalcum; add the character's permanent Essence to the Speed and Damage of any attack he makes.  Unarmed attacks count as lethal.  Subtract the Solar's Essence (minimum 0) from the Mobility Penalty and Fatigue Value of any armor he wears.  This Charm can only be learned by a Dawn-Caste Solar; it is unavailable to any other being.
-<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Form-Type, Obvious, and costs 15 motes. It requires War 5, not Brawl 5, and Unfolding the Martial Bulb, not Unfolding the Brutal Bulb.  In addition to its base abilities (since armor-compatibility is now the rule, rather than the exception), Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's concordant mastery of combative styles permits the Solar to activate a single additional Form-Type Charm.  This effect does stack with (presuming it is repeated) the capability of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form to do so on a larger scale.  As Speed is now fixed, rather than an initiative stat, this Charm's activation subtracts 1 from the Speed of all attacks and Dawn-Caste Charms the Solar uses.[[MartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/I]]>
+<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Form-Type, Obvious, and costs 15 motes. It requires War 5, not Brawl 5, and Unfolding the Martial Bulb, not Unfolding the Brutal Bulb.  In addition to its base abilities (since armor-compatibility is now the rule, rather than the exception), Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's concordant mastery of combative styles permits the Solar to activate a single additional Form-Type Charm.  This effect does stack with (presuming it is repeated) the capability of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form to do so on a larger scale.  As Speed is now fixed, rather than an initiative stat, this Charm's activation subtracts 1 from the Speed of all attacks and Dawn-Caste Charms the Solar uses.</I>
 <i>If Harmonious Solar Warrior Form is used first, Prismatic Arrangement of Creation works normally, permitting either any of its sub-Forms or two Forms if a non-sub-Form is used to be activated simultaneously.  However, should Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form be activated first, Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's natural unifying effects pushes Prismatic Arrangement of Creation closer to perfection than anything short of developing 20 Celestial Martial Art forms as per Sidereals.  In this instance, in addition to Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form and Harmonious Solar Warrior Form, the character may trigger all of the Prismatic Arrangement of Creation's sub-Forms <b>and</b> two additional non-sub-Forms.</i>
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 The character may also parry any otherwise unblockable attack, but must roll to do so.  If the opponent ordinarily does not roll to attack, he must make some sort of Attribute + Ability roll, with a bonus equal to his permanent Essence.  The Solar may also use a perfect parry that would not function against inapplicable attacks against said inapplicable attacks.  This Charm is not compatible with the use of Armor unless the Harmonious Solar Warrior Form is being used.  This Charm can only be learned by a Dawn-Caste Solar; it is unavailable to any other being.other being.
-<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Combo-OK and Obvious.  Its effects are much more simplified.  All of the Dawn's attacks are considered to be undodgeable and unblockable; Parry and Dodge DVs are inapplicable.  The Dawn, however, may parry and dodge undodgeable and unblockable or otherwise inapplicable attacks, whether from a Charm's effect or from the inapplicability of surprise.  It requires Perfecting the Martial Bulb rather than Perfecting the Brutal Bulb.[[MartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/I]]>
+<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Combo-OK and Obvious.  Its effects are much more simplified.  All of the Dawn's attacks are considered to be undodgeable and unblockable; Parry and Dodge DVs are inapplicable.  The Dawn, however, may parry and dodge undodgeable and unblockable or otherwise inapplicable attacks, whether from a Charm's effect or from the inapplicability of surprise.  It requires Perfecting the Martial Bulb rather than Perfecting the Brutal Bulb.</I>

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 The first pinnacle of the way of the Harmonious Solar Warrior allows the Dawn performing the Form Charm to fully merge the physical expressions of combativeness.  The restriction and geomantic misarrangement of armor over a body is realigned by the Harmonious Solar Warrior Form, allowing him to use any Martial Arts charm with armor, even if they would ordinarily not be allowed to do so.  This Charm also harmonizes the Solar with the mirror image of orichalcum; add the character's permanent Essence to the Speed and Damage of any attack he makes.  Unarmed attacks count as lethal.  Subtract the Solar's Essence (minimum 0) from the Mobility Penalty and Fatigue Value of any armor he wears.  This Charm can only be learned by a Dawn-Caste Solar; it is unavailable to any other being.
-<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Form-Type, Obvious, and costs 15 motes. It requires War 5, not Brawl 5, and Unfolding the Martial Bulb, not Unfolding the Brutal Bulb.  In addition to its base abilities (since armor-compatibility is now the rule, rather than the exception), Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's concordant mastery of combative styles permits the Solar to activate a single additional Form-Type Charm.  This effect does stack with (presuming it is repeated) the capability of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form to do so on a larger scale.  As Speed is now fixed, rather than an initiative stat, this Charm's activation subtracts 1 from the Speed of all attacks and Dawn-Caste Charms the Solar uses.</I>
+<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Form-Type, Obvious, and costs 15 motes. It requires War 5, not Brawl 5, and Unfolding the Martial Bulb, not Unfolding the Brutal Bulb.  In addition to its base abilities (since armor-compatibility is now the rule, rather than the exception), Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's concordant mastery of combative styles permits the Solar to activate a single additional Form-Type Charm.  This effect does stack with (presuming it is repeated) the capability of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form to do so on a larger scale.  As Speed is now fixed, rather than an initiative stat, this Charm's activation subtracts 1 from the Speed of all attacks and Dawn-Caste Charms the Solar uses.[[MartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/I]]>
 <i>If Harmonious Solar Warrior Form is used first, Prismatic Arrangement of Creation works normally, permitting either any of its sub-Forms or two Forms if a non-sub-Form is used to be activated simultaneously.  However, should Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form be activated first, Harmonious Solar Warrior Form's natural unifying effects pushes Prismatic Arrangement of Creation closer to perfection than anything short of developing 20 Celestial Martial Art forms as per Sidereals.  In this instance, in addition to Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Form and Harmonious Solar Warrior Form, the character may trigger all of the Prismatic Arrangement of Creation's sub-Forms <b>and</b> two additional non-sub-Forms.</i>
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 The character may also parry any otherwise unblockable attack, but must roll to do so.  If the opponent ordinarily does not roll to attack, he must make some sort of Attribute + Ability roll, with a bonus equal to his permanent Essence.  The Solar may also use a perfect parry that would not function against inapplicable attacks against said inapplicable attacks.  This Charm is not compatible with the use of Armor unless the Harmonious Solar Warrior Form is being used.  This Charm can only be learned by a Dawn-Caste Solar; it is unavailable to any other being.other being.
-<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Combo-OK and Obvious.  Its effects are much more simplified.  All of the Dawn's attacks are considered to be undodgeable and unblockable; Parry and Dodge DVs are inapplicable.  The Dawn, however, may parry and dodge undodgeable and unblockable or otherwise inapplicable attacks, whether from a Charm's effect or from the inapplicability of surprise.  It requires Perfecting the Martial Bulb rather than Perfecting the Brutal Bulb.</I>
+<i>In Second Edition, this Charm is Combo-OK and Obvious.  Its effects are much more simplified.  All of the Dawn's attacks are considered to be undodgeable and unblockable; Parry and Dodge DVs are inapplicable.  The Dawn, however, may parry and dodge undodgeable and unblockable or otherwise inapplicable attacks, whether from a Charm's effect or from the inapplicability of surprise.  It requires Perfecting the Martial Bulb rather than Perfecting the Brutal Bulb.[[MartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/I]]>
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 ::(2) If you like the name, then rock on.
 ::(3) You realize that if we follow the idea to its logical conclusion, then there should be a Fire-Aspect only MA, a Chosen of Journeys only MA, a No-Moon only MA, and a Eclipse-only MA? Heck, why not a heroic mortal only MA. If you're cool with that, again, rock on. (Hint: wouldn't mind seeing a No-Moon only MA.)
-::(1) That's why I said "tiered universality". And no, I think Dreaming Pearl Courtesan's Solar Charm pre-req is a bad implementation. Also notice that all those MA Styles are available to all [[CasteMartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/Aspect/whatever]] provided the Exalt type can learn it. That is, any Dragon-Blooded can learn any Immaculate Martial Arts. Out-of-aspect Dragon-Blooded have to pay the extra mote surcharge, but they aren't outright prevented from studying it. Your MA is the first one I've seen that's Caste-specific.
+::(1) That's why I said "tiered universality". And no, I think Dreaming Pearl Courtesan's Solar Charm pre-req is a bad implementation. Also notice that all those MA Styles are available to all Caste/Aspect/whatever provided the Exalt type can learn it. That is, any Dragon-Blooded can learn any Immaculate Martial Arts. Out-of-aspect Dragon-Blooded have to pay the extra mote surcharge, but they aren't outright prevented from studying it. Your MA is the first one I've seen that's Caste-specific.
 ::(2) I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think that it's a good idea. I am particularly vehemently against the defense being able to parry a no-roll perfect attack. That, I repeat, while isn't a big deal combat-wise, is creeping into the perfection arms race.
 - [[TonyC]]
-:::Regarding (3) - I would argue that each of the five Dragon-style MA's *ARE* Fire-[[AspectMartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/Earth]]-Aspect/etc. only MA's. Yes, a Celestial Exalt CAN learn them if they aren't that type, but they wind up paying a lot more Essence to activate them. Likewise, if you look at my [[MartialArtsMartialArts/HarmoniousSolarWarriorStyle/KataSystem]] , I would like to propose that perhaps these are MA Charms instead of MA Katas - and therefore, shouldn't even be considered a Style at all. -[[Ialdabaoth]]
+:::Regarding (3) - I would argue that each of the five Dragon-style MA's *ARE* Fire-Aspect/Earth-Aspect/etc. only MA's. Yes, a Celestial Exalt CAN learn them if they aren't that type, but they wind up paying a lot more Essence to activate them. Likewise, if you look at my [[MartialArts/KataSystem]] , I would like to propose that perhaps these are MA Charms instead of MA Katas - and therefore, shouldn't even be considered a Style at all. -[[Ialdabaoth]]
 I'm just gonna jump in and say that I'm also entirely against the idea of Caste-specific MA charms. I'm nearly entirely against Exalt-specific MA trees as well, but I can see when some type gets a certain (minor) benefit, such as the Dragonblooded weapon bonuses, or the Sidereal sutras. While Telgar often has to lecture me on "theme", "feel", and such, I gotta say that this both breaks the 'theme' of MA (universal ability to learn) and also breaks the mechanics of it, as almost all charms that are caste-specific have sub-versions for each caste. (See "Auspicious Prospects for {Caste}" and its ilk). The imagery is good, and the effects are neat, but I'd be about 10,000 times happier if you'd just remove all the nagging "Dawn caste only, so my character is better than your Twilight that has all the combat abilities favored, nyaaa" things. (I'm also against the Night-caste only non-MA charms that have been popping up, but haven't jumped in there yet...). -- [[GregLink]]

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 <i>In Second Edition, this Charm is removed and replaced with the following Charm:</i>
-----<b>Unfolding the Martial Bulb</b>
+----<i><b>Unfolding the Martial Bulb</b></i>
    <I><b>Cost:</b>--; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 5, War 5, Essence 4; <b>Type:</b> Permanent</i>
    <i><b>Keywords:</b> None</i>
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 <i>In Second Edition, this Charm is removed and replaced with the following:</i>
-----<b>Perfecting the Martial Bulb</b>
+----<i><b>Perfecting the Martial Bulb</b></i>
    <I><b>Cost:</b>--; <b>Mins:</b> Martial Arts 6, War 6, Archery 5, Melee 5, Thrown 5, Essence 5; <b>Type:</b> Permanent</i>
    <i><b>Keywords:</b> None</i>

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	=== Background ===		=== Background ===
	Unlike many martial arts trees, the path of the Harmonious Solar Warrior is a creation of the modern era, save for Transcendent Martial Arts Prowess and Awe-Inspiring Solar Warrior. Those two Charms were developed in the First Age, but no one really went beyond them; there was no <b>cause</b> to with all of Creation at the feet of Solars. Effectively, they could order sufficient ready-made artifacts, manse styles, and so on, that there was no need to make martial arts personally more flexible; instead, they'd focus on the perfection and egomania of adapting externals to their own personal idiosyncrasies, eccentricities, and madness.		Unlike many martial arts trees, the path of the Harmonious Solar Warrior is a creation of the modern era, save for Transcendent Martial Arts Prowess and Awe-Inspiring Solar Warrior. Those two Charms were developed in the First Age, but no one really went beyond them; there was no <b>cause</b> to with all of Creation at the feet of Solars. Effectively, they could order sufficient ready-made artifacts, manse styles, and so on, that there was no need to make martial arts personally more flexible; instead, they'd focus on the perfection and egomania of adapting externals to their own personal idiosyncrasies, eccentricities, and madness.