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   <b>Cost</b>: 2 motes
   <b>Duration</b>: Instant
-  <b>Type</b>: [[SupplementalMartialArts/FourfoldPathtoReadinessStyle/Special]]<br>
+  <b>Type</b>: Supplemental/Special<br>
   <b>Minimum Martial Arts</b>: 3
   <b>Minimum Essence</b>: 2
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 === Ultimate Charm ===
 <b><i>The Way of Instananeous Preparation</i></b>
-  <b>Cost</b>: [[NMartialArts/FourfoldPathtoReadinessStyle/A]]
+  <b>Cost</b>: N/A
   <b>Duration</b>: Permanent
   <b>Type</b>: Special
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 === Master's Vigilance ===
 <b><i>All-Encompassing Readiness Style</i></b>
-  <b>Cost</b>: [[NMartialArts/FourfoldPathtoReadinessStyle/A]]
+  <b>Cost</b>: N/A
   <b>Duration</b>: Indefinite (Permanent)
   <b>Type</b>: Permanent
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 === Master's Defense ===
 <b><i>Ignorant Stone's Defense</i></b>
-  <b>Cost</b>: [[NMartialArts/FourfoldPathtoReadinessStyle/A]]
+  <b>Cost</b>: N/A
   <b>Duration</b>: Indefinite (Permanent)
   <b>Type</b>: Permanent
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 === Master's Rest ===
 <b><i>Action At Rest Principle</i></b>
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+  <b>Cost</b>: N/A
   <b>Duration</b>: Indefinite (Permanent)
   <b>Type</b>: Permanent
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 === Master's Retaliation ===
 <b><i>Incapacitating Retaliatory Touch</i></b>
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+  <b>Cost</b>: N/A
   <b>Duration</b>: Indefinite (Permanent)
   <b>Type</b>: Permanent
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 ::: As for the "Reflexive Form!" I note that the top-tier "Master Level" stuff hasn't been vetted yet, even by me. I'm thinking the form might be under-costed, but I won't stand up and say that the Master level stuff is good. Hence, I discuss only the 'true' form, the Ability 4 Ess 3 form, with 4 prereqs. It gives you the following: +MA to init, Diff to hit += MA/2, Counterattacks at MA. We compare to Ebon Shadow Form and the Tiger-Style Counterattack charm (whose book I don't have with me). ESF gives +MA to init. Check. It also gives Diff to hit += Essence and Stealth, also allowing the character to choose Bashing or lethal damage. We can see right off the bat where 70% of the form came from - a direct rip of much of ESF. ESF is a 3 prereq Essence 2 charm, while [[FFPtR]] Form is a 4 prereq Ess 3 charm, so we can imagine there being some leeway yet. Since Essence is 2 when you pick up ESF, and 3 when we compare ESF to [[FFPtR]] form, they give roughly identical bonuses to difficulty to hit. At higher levels, when Essence = 5 and MA = 5, ESF gives +5 diff to hit, while [[FFPtR]] Form gives the same +3 to hit it has for a long time. Plus [[FFPtR]] isn't giving you a steath bonus, which while not huge, is something. So over and all,  [[FFPtR]] Form isn't as good as ESF, both by virtue of being slightly less defensive, and not giving stealth. It ain't much, but it's a difference. Next up is Angry Predator Frenzy Style. Without my book, I tend to forget, but if I recall correctly, it's also an Ess 2 charm, and provides full-pool counterattacks. [[FFPtR]] provides only MA-pool counterattacks, and explicitly prohibits the use of weapons with them, keeping accuracy and damage even lower. Essentially, [[FFPtR]] is created by doing something like this: 0.75 * ESF + 0.5 APFS = 1.25 times an Essence 2 charm. [[FFPtR]] is an Essence 3 charm, with more prereqs than either, so it stands to reason that it's slightly more powerful than either one. While this isn't the strongest argument I've ever made, I can elaborate more precisely if I could find a verbatim copy of APFS's charm text. -- [[GregLink]], Second-Circle Demon of Crunch.
-: Two things 1) You seem to be comparing your charm as if it was Ess-1 autosux.  As written, it's MA -1.  Which means the Ess 3[[MartialArts/FourfoldPathtoReadinessStyle/MA]] 5 Martial artist is getting /4/ autmatic sucesses to Iron Arm's block's 5 dice.  Not two.  if you intend it to be Ess-1, then I feel significantly less outraged. 2) No form charm should ever be reflexive, I feel.  Form are /always/ simple.  Even in Sidereal MA.  A way to get the 'always ready' feel of this MA might be to allow the form to last for multiple scenes, meaning you can renew it and leave it up all the time. - [[Scrollreader]]
+: Two things 1) You seem to be comparing your charm as if it was Ess-1 autosux.  As written, it's MA -1.  Which means the Ess 3/MA 5 Martial artist is getting /4/ autmatic sucesses to Iron Arm's block's 5 dice.  Not two.  if you intend it to be Ess-1, then I feel significantly less outraged. 2) No form charm should ever be reflexive, I feel.  Form are /always/ simple.  Even in Sidereal MA.  A way to get the 'always ready' feel of this MA might be to allow the form to last for multiple scenes, meaning you can renew it and leave it up all the time. - [[Scrollreader]]
 :: Hm. You're right. My notes here, and my local copy, have it at Ess-1. My bad.  Changed. As for the second point, I'm more than willing to have a discussion based on 'feel' and generalities. While you've obviously hit the nail on the head with your noting that I'm trying to get the 'always ready' feel, I worry that keeping it up all the time isn't the right solution either. To me, a form is a specific way of thought, and of moving, and acting. While you might be able to keep FLB or FFBS up and still cook dinner, and go the bathroom, to me, it doesn't feel right to allow a form to be up while doing those mundane things. A form, to me, is that suave pose you see martial artists in movies assume just before the fight begins. My hope and intent was that a practitioner of this art can just *bam* assume that suave pose, out of nowhere, at a moment's notice. So this begs the problem - which is worse? A "simple" type charm, which, after you hit the "Ultimate" charm won't take a charm activation anyway, or the reflexive path I took? I'm seriously asking the question, because it is a significant philosophical and thematic question. So yeah - can you eat dinner, go to the bathroom, and still maintain a form? Or alternately, do you always need time to assume the form, but once assumed, you can maintain it for an extended period? -- [[GregLink]]

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	::: You mentioned a few. Persistant parry/dodge with JiAS. Combining Solar EGT with DPS. (And ISC if you just want to be mean). Solars (ab)use VBoS so much better than siddies, except for the prayer strip. And eclipses can even get around that. - [[Scrollreader]]		::: You mentioned a few. Persistant parry/dodge with JiAS. Combining Solar EGT with DPS. (And ISC if you just want to be mean). Solars (ab)use VBoS so much better than siddies, except for the prayer strip. And eclipses can even get around that. - [[Scrollreader]]
−	::::And a quick Sample- Combo: Wary Defence of the Fivefold Heavens - SAM+DPS+EGT+ISC. That's the power of VBoS + Solar native charms. - [[Scrollreader]]	+	::::And a quick Sample- Combo: Wary Defence of the Fivefold Heavens - SAM+DPS+EGT+ISC. That's the power of VBoS + Solar native charms. - [[Scrollreader]] <i>Who notes VBoS and Solar synergies are probably not intentional, though yours could certainly stand to be.</i>

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