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		<title>MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation - Revision history</title>
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		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation&amp;diff=70863&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-06T01:17:04Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='1' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='1' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 01:17, 6 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='2' style='text-align: center;' lang='en'&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;mw-diff-empty&quot;&gt;(No difference)&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation&amp;diff=53668&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation&amp;diff=53668&amp;oldid=prev"/>
				<updated>2010-04-05T08:07:30Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 08:07, 5 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='4' style='text-align: center;' class='diff-multi' lang='en'&gt;(2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;= Dragon's Road Initation =&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;= Dragon's Road Initation =&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Charms]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Charms]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to MartialArts&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;MartialArts&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l36&quot; &gt;Line 36:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 36:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ FornClakes&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;FornClakes&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::Whether &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;the Form&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot; is very debateable. I think most people, including me, interpret it to mean &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot;. And, to [[Blackwell]], check out the DB Errata. It's not about having a balanced Essence, it's about having an inherently elemental Essence, and the alignment of that Essence. Elemental Charms have surcharges. DB Charms are always elemental Charms, MA Charms &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;can&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; be, but usually aren't. - [[David.]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation&amp;diff=28483&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=MartialArts/DragonsRoadInitiation&amp;diff=28483&amp;oldid=prev"/>
				<updated>2010-04-03T09:04:14Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:04, 3 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;= Dragon's Road Initation =&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;= Dragon's Road Initation =&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Charms]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Charms]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to MartialArts&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;MartialArts&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ FornClakes&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;FornClakes&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Whether &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;the Form&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot; is very debateable. I think most people, including me, interpret it to mean &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot;. And, to [[Blackwell]], check out the DB Errata. It's not about having a balanced Essence, it's about having an inherently elemental Essence, and the alignment of that Essence. Elemental Charms have surcharges. DB Charms are always elemental Charms, MA Charms &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;can&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; be, but usually aren't. - [[David.]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Whether &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;the Form&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot; is very debateable. I think most people, including me, interpret it to mean &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot;. And, to [[Blackwell]], check out the DB Errata. It's not about having a balanced Essence, it's about having an inherently elemental Essence, and the alignment of that Essence. Elemental Charms have surcharges. DB Charms are always elemental Charms, MA Charms &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;can&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; be, but usually aren't. - [[David.]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>David.: *what is &quot;mastery&quot;?</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;*what is &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot;?&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Seeking the (Type) Dragon&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Cost:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; None &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Duration:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Permenant &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Type:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Special &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Min. Martial arts:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;5&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Min Essence:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;4 &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Prereqs:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Description:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Exalt learns to attune his anima to one of elements around and in himself gaining an understanding and Mastery of it. This &lt;br /&gt;
allows the Martial Artist to void the Elemental surcharge of one type of elemental (Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Wood) martial art provided that the martial art is taken to form level or above.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Riding the Dragon&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Cost:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 3 motes &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Duration:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;Until Dismissed &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Type:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Simple&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Min. Martial arts:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;5&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Min Essence:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;4 &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Prereqs:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;(Type) Dragon Form, Seeking the (Type) Dragon. &lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Description:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Exalt takes his training a step further and learns to wrap her Anima around the weapons of her form granting her the weapon abilities of an Dragon Blooded Practitioner of her form.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Comments ==&lt;br /&gt;
Which type of Exalt are these for? I assume Solars, but you never know. Also, as a matter of nomenclature it makes more sense for the Charms to be called &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Seeking the (Type) Dragon&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Riding the (Type) Dragon&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, that way the prerequisite could simply be (Type) Dragon Form. - [[Moxiane]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent suggestion; i think i'll change it now.and as Far as Exalt Type it's for any who could legaly take one of the Dragon forms i hope this clears things up a bit.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think (Element) makes more sense than (Type) in this instance. I didn't change it, but did put (Type) where it belonged, after &amp;quot;the&amp;quot;. - [[David.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanx for the assist. made the changes on autopilot sorry bout the inconvenience.-[[Issaru]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.  In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.  For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ FornClakes&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Whether &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;the Form&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot; is very debateable. I think most people, including me, interpret it to mean &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot;. And, to [[Blackwell]], check out the DB Errata. It's not about having a balanced Essence, it's about having an inherently elemental Essence, and the alignment of that Essence. Elemental Charms have surcharges. DB Charms are always elemental Charms, MA Charms &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;can&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; be, but usually aren't. - [[David.]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Issaru: *glad you liked them</title>
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				<updated>2005-05-18T14:38:13Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;*glad you liked them&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Back to [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do Solars even have to pay the elemental surcharge for the Immaculate Forms? I always assumed that this penalty only applied to the Dragonbloods, since their Essence is not balanced between the elements (until they achieve balance after mastering all five styles). Solars would already have balanced essence. If you're taking this from the fact that Eclipse always pay the elemental surcharge for DB charms, I would remind that Martial Arts styles are an exception to many rules because they are universal for all Exalt types, and therefore the Immaculate Charms are not technically Dragon-Blooded charms. If anything, it would seem more likely that DB's had to pay an elemental(less) surcharge for all non-Immaculate Martial Arts until they achieve balance, or at least until they undergo a special initiation aimed specifically at granting access to the non-Immaculate styles. [[Blackwell]] &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;FornClakes&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;First off, cool Charms; nice &amp;amp; simple, much like myself.&amp;#160; In response to Blackwell, Dragon-Bloods learning one of the (Celestial) Dragon Styles that isn't the same as their element must pay a 1 mote surchage, and this applies to Celestial Exalts as well. But, where DB's can attune their Anima's to the style (once they have learnt the final Charm so as not to pay the surchage, Celestials can't do that since they are not a part of the elements themselves.&amp;#160; For further information, see the Dragon-Blooded Errata from the White Wolf site. ~ FornClakes&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Thanx glad you liked them! Also the DB's get the surcharge dropped after they get the Form Charm, but other than that you're right. - [[Issaru]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::Whether &amp;quot;mastery&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;the Form&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot; is very debateable. I think most people, including me, interpret it to mean &amp;quot;all Charms&amp;quot;. And, to [[Blackwell]], check out the DB Errata. It's not about having a balanced Essence, it's about having an inherently elemental Essence, and the alignment of that Essence. Elemental Charms have surcharges. DB Charms are always elemental Charms, MA Charms &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;can&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; be, but usually aren't. - [[David.]]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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