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		<title>Khorebh: More Housekeeping</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;More Housekeeping&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Ruminations on Abyssal Titles ==&lt;br /&gt;
Here's where I talk to myself (And others, really) about Abyssal titles. I was out driving today, and a few questions/ideas popped into my head. Here they are, written out.&lt;br /&gt;
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* back to [[Khorebh]].&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd appreciate hearing other people's thoughts on these.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== First Big Question ===&lt;br /&gt;
The First Big Question has been adequately answered, at least for first edition. However, I'm going to seriously ponder the Sidereal Renaming mentioned below by haren (Many thanks, it's a much different direction than the one I was taking but I find it much more interesting.)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Second Big Question ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Alchemicals|Alchemical]] titles are fairly standard-sounding... are Abyssal titles at all standardized, or is the total freedom implied by non-standard titles part of the Abyssal charm (Where names are concerned, at least.)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Comments ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, just a few comments/ideas here. First of all, one Abyssal can have multiple monkiers all granted by the same Deathlord. The importance is more that it's not their &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; name, from what I can tell. Sure, they can claim it, but they'll be punished. Many of the other sacrificed name characters in Exalted have multiple names they go by, depending on how they feel or want to be looked at. I suspect that the Malfeans don't care as long as it's not the name that was given to them... Now, this isn't to say that say... Sidereals couldn't &amp;quot;rename&amp;quot; someone with their title. That could piss off the Malfeans and warrent a new name sacrificing ceremony. - [[haren]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Khorebh</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>Haren: comment</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;comment&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l19&quot; &gt;Line 19:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Comments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Comments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Ok, just a few comments/ideas here. First of all, one Abyssal can have multiple monkiers all granted by the same Deathlord. The importance is more that it's not their &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; name, from what I can tell. Sure, they can claim it, but they'll be punished. Many of the other sacrificed name characters in Exalted have multiple names they go by, depending on how they feel or want to be looked at. I suspect that the Malfeans don't care as long as it's not the name that was given to them... Now, this isn't to say that say... Sidereals couldn't &amp;quot;rename&amp;quot; someone with their title. That could piss off the Malfeans and warrent a new name sacrificing ceremony. - [[haren]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Haren</name></author>	</entry>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='4' style='text-align: center;' class='diff-multi' lang='en'&gt;(One intermediate revision by one other user not shown)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== First Big Question ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== First Big Question ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The First Big Question has been adequately answered&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;at least for first edition. However&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;I&lt;/del&gt;'&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;m going &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;seriously ponder &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Sidereal Renaming mentioned below by haren &lt;/del&gt;(&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Many thanks&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;it&lt;/del&gt;'s a &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;much different direction than the one I was taking &lt;/del&gt;but I &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;find &lt;/del&gt;it &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;much more interesting&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;)&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;If a title becomes so associated with a given [[Abyssals|Abyssal]] that it might as well be a name-- and I mean this on the order of hundreds of years, mind&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;not just a couple weeks of 'Hey&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;you're The Resplendent Ender of Lives!'-- Does that Abyssal require a new title? Maybe re-sacrificing of their 'Name&lt;/ins&gt;' to the &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[Malfeans]] or some-such? &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The idea stems from the medical profession's national certification system, where &lt;/ins&gt;(&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;so claims my physician brother-in-law)&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;every six years one has to re-certify or be unable to practice. Thought I, &amp;quot;What if an Abyssal&lt;/ins&gt;'s &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;title became so closely associated that it became a new Name? Would they need to sacrifice it again, and assume another title so as to remain dissociated from &lt;/ins&gt;a &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Name,&amp;quot; &lt;/ins&gt;but I &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;wasn't able to reach any internal conclusion- &lt;/ins&gt;it &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;went both ways in my head&lt;/ins&gt;. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Second Big Question ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Second Big Question ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Comments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Comments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Ok, just a few comments/ideas here. First of all, one Abyssal can have multiple monkiers all granted by the same Deathlord. The importance is more that it's not their &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; name, from what I can tell. Sure, they can claim it, but they'll be punished. Many of the other sacrificed name characters in Exalted have multiple names they go by, depending on how they feel or want to be looked at. I suspect that the Malfeans don't care as long as it's not the name that was given to them... Now, this isn't to say that say... Sidereals couldn't &amp;quot;rename&amp;quot; someone with their title. That could piss off the Malfeans and warrent a new name sacrificing ceremony. - [[haren]]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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