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IsawaBrian: *Thoughts on the Mountain Folk

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Heru: Thoughts of Mountain Folk and Yu-Shan

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 If the families are essentially the same, after all, V'neef never would've gotten a Great House under Mnemon, being Mnemon. Competition from her children or some other House's child is not not something she would put up with anywhere, even in a parallel universe. ^_^ - [[Patkin]]
-: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - IsawaBrian
+: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - [[IsawaBrian]]
 Wow.  This looks pretty well-thought-out.  And interesting too, although I admit to being pretty puzzled as to your motivation (I can think of a few, but don't want to presume).  Perhaps if you post some sort of explanation as to what your aim is for this setting, it would help people comment?<br>
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 PS: It occurs to me that in my most humble opinion, the Maiden of Secrets could just decide that the Sidereals are all weird and arcane-fate-y without needing to break herself to accomplish it, as long as it was her aim.
-: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the WoD.  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - IsawaBrian
+: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the [[WoD]].  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - [[IsawaBrian]]
-Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - MoonSword
+Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - [[MoonSword]]
-:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- IsawaBrian
+:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- [[IsawaBrian]]
 I just want to say that I love this setting. It is a very interesting look on Creation. Glad you posted it. I do have a question, what changes do you think this setting would have on the Mountain Folk - [[Heru]]
-:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- IsawaBrian
+:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- [[IsawaBrian]]
-::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than GoD and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - MoonSword
+::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than [[GoD]] and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - [[MoonSword]]
 :::While I think having Autochthon bind them is the easiest reason, the question of why he would do that is harder to answer. In canon he did it cause the Solars felt threatened by the Mountain Folk. The Solars asked the Unconquered Sun and he ordered Auto to bind them. That sort of thing won't happen in this setting as the Terrestrials have no right to demand anything from the Unconqered Sun who has no reason to demand the binding. Maybe the binding against them happened by another Primordial during the War, a final death strike if you will. This would make sense and could explain why Auto eventually leaves, he wishes to find a way to save his creations. The thing is that you wnat to limit them to the underworld and remove them as a threat to the surface. While typing this I had another thought: Yu-Shan. In the First Age of canon Yu-Shan was orderly and well-maintained, entirely due to the Solars. In this version you have a different thing: no Solars to maintain order but a Unconquered Sun who is paying attention. So its interesting to think how the spiritual side of Creaiton would like. -[[Heru]]

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 If the families are essentially the same, after all, V'neef never would've gotten a Great House under Mnemon, being Mnemon. Competition from her children or some other House's child is not not something she would put up with anywhere, even in a parallel universe. ^_^ - [[Patkin]]
-: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - IsawaBrian
+: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - [[IsawaBrian]]
 Wow.  This looks pretty well-thought-out.  And interesting too, although I admit to being pretty puzzled as to your motivation (I can think of a few, but don't want to presume).  Perhaps if you post some sort of explanation as to what your aim is for this setting, it would help people comment?<br>
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 PS: It occurs to me that in my most humble opinion, the Maiden of Secrets could just decide that the Sidereals are all weird and arcane-fate-y without needing to break herself to accomplish it, as long as it was her aim.
-: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the WoD.  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - IsawaBrian
+: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the [[WoD]].  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - [[IsawaBrian]]
-Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - MoonSword
+Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - [[MoonSword]]
-:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- IsawaBrian
+:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- [[IsawaBrian]]
 I just want to say that I love this setting. It is a very interesting look on Creation. Glad you posted it. I do have a question, what changes do you think this setting would have on the Mountain Folk - [[Heru]]
-:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- IsawaBrian
+:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- [[IsawaBrian]]
-::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than GoD and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - MoonSword
+::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than [[GoD]] and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - [[MoonSword]]
 :::While I think having Autochthon bind them is the easiest reason, the question of why he would do that is harder to answer. In canon he did it cause the Solars felt threatened by the Mountain Folk. The Solars asked the Unconquered Sun and he ordered Auto to bind them. That sort of thing won't happen in this setting as the Terrestrials have no right to demand anything from the Unconqered Sun who has no reason to demand the binding. Maybe the binding against them happened by another Primordial during the War, a final death strike if you will. This would make sense and could explain why Auto eventually leaves, he wishes to find a way to save his creations. The thing is that you wnat to limit them to the underworld and remove them as a threat to the surface. While typing this I had another thought: Yu-Shan. In the First Age of canon Yu-Shan was orderly and well-maintained, entirely due to the Solars. In this version you have a different thing: no Solars to maintain order but a Unconquered Sun who is paying attention. So its interesting to think how the spiritual side of Creaiton would like. -[[Heru]]
-::::I need to reread the Fae book section on them and the underdwellers to get a good idea, but my basic concept is going to be that they weren't bound in the first place-- that, like the noble vs. commoner fae, the castes and Enlightened Artisans and Enlightened Non-Artisans were always present as a division.  I suspect I'm going to make the earth and What Lies Beneath _holy_ to them-- rather than not being able to come up, they never WANTED to.  They had an immense underground civilization that was only above ground on Meru itself (thus providing nice ruins on the Imperial Mountain to replace the first age ones).  Let's see... let's say that they, like the Dragon Kings, supported the rebellion of the Gods.  Instead of being wiped out like the Kings, the bloody descendants of slain Primordials bubbled up into their holy places, causing a millenia-long war that still continues to this day.--IsawaBrian
+::::I need to reread the Fae book section on them and the underdwellers to get a good idea, but my basic concept is going to be that they weren't bound in the first place-- that, like the noble vs. commoner fae, the castes and Enlightened Artisans and Enlightened Non-Artisans were always present as a division.  I suspect I'm going to make the earth and What Lies Beneath _holy_ to them-- rather than not being able to come up, they never WANTED to.  They had an immense underground civilization that was only above ground on Meru itself (thus providing nice ruins on the Imperial Mountain to replace the first age ones).  Let's see... let's say that they, like the Dragon Kings, supported the rebellion of the Gods.  Instead of being wiped out like the Kings, the bloody descendants of slain Primordials bubbled up into their holy places, causing a millenia-long war that still continues to this day.--[[IsawaBrian]]

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 If the families are essentially the same, after all, V'neef never would've gotten a Great House under Mnemon, being Mnemon. Competition from her children or some other House's child is not not something she would put up with anywhere, even in a parallel universe. ^_^ - [[Patkin]]
-: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - [[IsawaBrian]]
+: So noted- and so changed.  I've also added a bit more about the houses. - IsawaBrian
 Wow.  This looks pretty well-thought-out.  And interesting too, although I admit to being pretty puzzled as to your motivation (I can think of a few, but don't want to presume).  Perhaps if you post some sort of explanation as to what your aim is for this setting, it would help people comment?<br>
@@ Line 178: / Line 178: @@
 PS: It occurs to me that in my most humble opinion, the Maiden of Secrets could just decide that the Sidereals are all weird and arcane-fate-y without needing to break herself to accomplish it, as long as it was her aim.
-: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the [[WoD]].  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - [[IsawaBrian]]
+: Thank you.  As for motivation- sheer boredom and a desire to delink Exalted from the relentless progression into the WoD.  I like having brighter options available, so...  *shrugs*  I found myself waiting for a friend, with an hour or so to kill.  Random *blip!* in the head.  Random blip becomes work done over another day plus editting. >.>  My brain works like that. - IsawaBrian
-Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - [[MoonSword]]
+Do you mind if I poach this a bit for another project? - MoonSword
-:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- [[IsawaBrian]]
+:Sure, go ahead!  It's out there to help people.  I'd appreciate knowing what it is when you're done, of course! -- IsawaBrian
 I just want to say that I love this setting. It is a very interesting look on Creation. Glad you posted it. I do have a question, what changes do you think this setting would have on the Mountain Folk - [[Heru]]
-:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- [[IsawaBrian]]
+:Thank you very much.  As for the Mountain Folk... Hmm.  Tough one.  It's my inclination to say that the castes exist naturally for them, rather than being an effect of the Great Geas; perhaps with some similar effects to the Geas preventing them from going above ground.  That way, they couldn't have taken over after the loss of the dragon kings, since the Terrestrials having a major rival would ruin a lot of what I wanted here.  Actually, I need to take another look at this portion of my work, too, to see (a) what's up with the mountain folk and (b) what's up with Autochthon.  I think I wrote this prior to Authochthon coming out and during a phase when I was grumpy at the Fae book.  Worth thinking about-- thanks!  -- IsawaBrian
-::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than [[GoD]] and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - [[MoonSword]]
+::Have Autocthon bind them.  All you need is a decent reason for him to do it and then let him lay down the smack.  I'm not familiar with them (since I don't own anything from 1E other than GoD and the Player's Guide) and all I know is what I've picked up from forums and the Wikis, so I don't know why he did at the first time (something about the Solars, right?).  Still, if he did it once, he can do it again.  Aren't they fighting someone down there?  Who says he didn't make them to fight that enemy? - MoonSword
 :::While I think having Autochthon bind them is the easiest reason, the question of why he would do that is harder to answer. In canon he did it cause the Solars felt threatened by the Mountain Folk. The Solars asked the Unconquered Sun and he ordered Auto to bind them. That sort of thing won't happen in this setting as the Terrestrials have no right to demand anything from the Unconqered Sun who has no reason to demand the binding. Maybe the binding against them happened by another Primordial during the War, a final death strike if you will. This would make sense and could explain why Auto eventually leaves, he wishes to find a way to save his creations. The thing is that you wnat to limit them to the underworld and remove them as a threat to the surface. While typing this I had another thought: Yu-Shan. In the First Age of canon Yu-Shan was orderly and well-maintained, entirely due to the Solars. In this version you have a different thing: no Solars to maintain order but a Unconquered Sun who is paying attention. So its interesting to think how the spiritual side of Creaiton would like. -[[Heru]]

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