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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-05T08:06:56Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-03T09:03:26Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Financier's Masterful Eye is pretty good divination.&amp;#160; A Solar bureaucrat can come up with his own plans and evaluate them on the spot, and apparently can even do so to consider assets he doesn't even actually control (&amp;quot;if I use the 1st and 17th Legions of the Realm together, how powerful are they?&amp;quot;).&amp;#160; An alternate version might give the Solar a good read on what balance of greed/ambition/vice, actual expertise, and real-world knowledge have contributed to a given plan, and require experience with the assets being discussed. -- BillGarrett&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Financier's Masterful Eye is pretty good divination.&amp;#160; A Solar bureaucrat can come up with his own plans and evaluate them on the spot, and apparently can even do so to consider assets he doesn't even actually control (&amp;quot;if I use the 1st and 17th Legions of the Realm together, how powerful are they?&amp;quot;).&amp;#160; An alternate version might give the Solar a good read on what balance of greed/ambition/vice, actual expertise, and real-world knowledge have contributed to a given plan, and require experience with the assets being discussed. -- &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;BillGarrett&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So are you saying the charm is, as written, a good thing, or a bad thing? While I like the secondary idea you mentioned (and will probably incorporate it into another charm), I'm trying to get a feel for how 'fair' 'legal' and 'in-schtick' it is, so clarification is helpful. - GregLink&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:So are you saying the charm is, as written, a good thing, or a bad thing? While I like the secondary idea you mentioned (and will probably incorporate it into another charm), I'm trying to get a feel for how 'fair' 'legal' and 'in-schtick' it is, so clarification is helpful. - &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;GregLink&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::It's good if you want Solars to be able to do those things - that is, to pit armies against each other in their heads and evaluate a winner with near-perfect accuracy, without risking anything and without having actual control over those armies.&amp;#160; I would not allow such a thing in my game - that depth of foretelling would be Sidereal turf.&amp;#160; I WOULD let Solars make analyses of things they had a hand in, or knew enough about, but the Charm as written can grant an awful lot of objective fact for a low-grade Charm. -- BillGarrett&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::It's good if you want Solars to be able to do those things - that is, to pit armies against each other in their heads and evaluate a winner with near-perfect accuracy, without risking anything and without having actual control over those armies.&amp;#160; I would not allow such a thing in my game - that depth of foretelling would be Sidereal turf.&amp;#160; I WOULD let Solars make analyses of things they had a hand in, or knew enough about, but the Charm as written can grant an awful lot of objective fact for a low-grade Charm. -- &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;BillGarrett&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Tasty Stuff, very in-theme with the solars. I've got a Character who was a Mortal Dynast before exalting, I think she'll be picking these charms up somewhere along the way =)&amp;#160; BrigandRansom&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Tasty Stuff, very in-theme with the solars. I've got a Character who was a Mortal Dynast before exalting, I think she'll be picking these charms up somewhere along the way =)&amp;#160; &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;BrigandRansom&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also, I could see a charm which gives the blessings of the unconquered sun to a beauracratic action, adding essence successes to a given beauracracy roll. Or is that too Sidereal? ~ BrigandRansom , who still wants some commentary on his scratchpad of a userpage&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also, I could see a charm which gives the blessings of the unconquered sun to a beauracratic action, adding essence successes to a given beauracracy roll. Or is that too Sidereal? ~ &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;BrigandRansom&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;, who still wants some commentary on his scratchpad of a userpage&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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Financier's Masterful Eye is pretty good divination.  A Solar bureaucrat can come up with his own plans and evaluate them on the spot, and apparently can even do so to consider assets he doesn't even actually control (&amp;quot;if I use the 1st and 17th Legions of the Realm together, how powerful are they?&amp;quot;).  An alternate version might give the Solar a good read on what balance of greed/ambition/vice, actual expertise, and real-world knowledge have contributed to a given plan, and require experience with the assets being discussed. -- BillGarrett&lt;br /&gt;
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:So are you saying the charm is, as written, a good thing, or a bad thing? While I like the secondary idea you mentioned (and will probably incorporate it into another charm), I'm trying to get a feel for how 'fair' 'legal' and 'in-schtick' it is, so clarification is helpful. - GregLink&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's good if you want Solars to be able to do those things - that is, to pit armies against each other in their heads and evaluate a winner with near-perfect accuracy, without risking anything and without having actual control over those armies.  I would not allow such a thing in my game - that depth of foretelling would be Sidereal turf.  I WOULD let Solars make analyses of things they had a hand in, or knew enough about, but the Charm as written can grant an awful lot of objective fact for a low-grade Charm. -- BillGarrett&lt;br /&gt;
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Tasty Stuff, very in-theme with the solars. I've got a Character who was a Mortal Dynast before exalting, I think she'll be picking these charms up somewhere along the way =)  BrigandRansom&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I could see a charm which gives the blessings of the unconquered sun to a beauracratic action, adding essence successes to a given beauracracy roll. Or is that too Sidereal? ~ BrigandRansom , who still wants some commentary on his scratchpad of a userpage&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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