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== BrokenShade's Version ==
As per the original, but remove the part about having to declare the Charm before your opponent makes the attack roll.

== JadeSerpent's Version ==
Minimum Dodge: <b>1</b> <br>
As per the original version, except where noted above. Cause the DB charms start at min skill 2, therefor Solar's shouldn't!

===== Vote Tally =====
== Original Version ==
#[[Morpheus]]
#[[Braydz]]

== BrokenShade's Version ==
#BrokenShade
#[[notsoangrydave]]
#[[Clebo]]
#MetalFatigue
#SilverMeerKat
#Domon
#[[Lipperman]]
#Mask of Winters
#NatalieD

== JadeSerpent's Version ==
#JadeSerpent

===== Comments =====
I'm confused here. Is there a restriction that Reed in the Wind has to be activated before the attack roll? I thought that restriction only was applied to Seven Shadow Evasion. [[Clebo]]

The charm cards say you have to declare this Charm and how much essence is to be spent before the attack roll. I'll check the core book tonight ... -- BrokenShade

The charm cards are right - it says it in the book, which is in my lap right now. as is, Solar Dodge gets seriously hosed v. Solar Melee, which is already the more complete tree. i say wave that requirement, and let it function as the melee defense charms. - [[notsoangrydave]]

I realize that I have used RitW like the BrokenShade's version without further thought. [[Clebo]]

Maybe I'm just a little hardcore, but I prefer to have to use the charm before I see how well my opponent did on the attack. Feels more strategic. - [[Morpheus]]

If you could wait to see how well your opponent attacks, it should be higher on the tree if it existed at all. I mean, you don't say, "Well frell, he really IS gonna hit me, I should use that charm," you say, "Well frell, he really IS gonna hit me, I wish I'd used that*urk*."\\
~*~[[Braydz]]~*~

I did the same thing as [[Clebo]]. --MetalFatigue

I just always assumed the same thing [[Clebo]] did. I think that as it stands it undermines the "defense is better than offense" maxime. I'll go with the revision. - SilverMeerKat

thing is, [[Braydz]] , i'm starting to agree with ikselam that melee is really the catch-all combat ability for solars - attack, defense, and special powers. why should its defense have additional advantages (aside from weapon parry bonuses) over a purely defensive ability? melee gets it, so dodge should, too. or, if you want to go the other way, take away melee charms' ability to be paid for and chosen *after* the attack roll. --[[notsoangrydave]]

See I hadn't noticed that about Melee defensive charms, thank you for pointing that out.\\
And my fix would totally be to take away that ability of the melee charms. That's just silly, I think.\\
~*~[[Braydz]]~*~

The way I've always treated Reed in Wind is that you declare the charm after you know how many dice your opponent is going to roll to hit you...you're the Chosen of the Sun and you should have some clue just how much power you're about to get splatted with, just take a look at their anima for one...Thing is, if he's rolling 18 dice and you choose to up your dodge pool to match it there's still no saying he won't roll half a dozen 10's and clobber you anyway! Same as there's no guarantee he won't roll the same 18 dice and manage to botch....I've seen it done....hell, I've done it! *pouts* ~FaeWitch

One thing you've forgotten, Golden Essence Block is a Melee1 charm. And in my universe, so is RitW! -- JadeSerpent

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-== BrokenShade's Version ==
+== [[BrokenShade]]'s Version ==
 As per the original, but remove the part about having to declare the Charm before your opponent makes the attack roll.
 ===== Vote Tally =====
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 #[[Braydz]]
-== BrokenShade's Version ==
+== [[BrokenShade]]'s Version ==
-#BrokenShade
+#[[BrokenShade]]
 #[[notsoangrydave]]
 #[[Clebo]]
-#MetalFatigue
+#[[MetalFatigue]]
-#SilverMeerKat
+#[[SilverMeerKat]]
 #Domon
 #[[Lipperman]]
 #Mask of Winters
-#NatalieD
+#[[NatalieD]]
 ===== Comments =====
 I'm confused here. Is there a restriction that Reed in the Wind has to be activated before the attack roll? I thought that restriction only was applied to Seven Shadow Evasion. [[Clebo]]
-The charm cards say you have to declare this Charm and how much essence is to be spent before the attack roll. I'll check the core book tonight ... -- BrokenShade
+The charm cards say you have to declare this Charm and how much essence is to be spent before the attack roll. I'll check the core book tonight ... -- [[BrokenShade]]
 The charm cards are right - it says it in the book, which is in my lap right now.  as is, Solar Dodge gets seriously hosed v. Solar Melee, which is already the more complete tree.  i say wave that requirement, and let it function as the melee defense charms. - [[notsoangrydave]]
-I realize that I have used RitW like the BrokenShade's version without further thought. [[Clebo]]
+I realize that I have used [[RitW]] like the [[BrokenShade]]'s version without further thought. [[Clebo]]
 Maybe I'm just a little hardcore, but I prefer to have to use the charm before I see how well my opponent did on the attack. Feels more strategic. - [[Morpheus]]
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 ~*~[[Braydz]]~*~
-I did the same thing as [[Clebo]]. --MetalFatigue
+I did the same thing as [[Clebo]]. --[[MetalFatigue]]
-I just always assumed the same thing [[Clebo]] did. I think that as it stands it undermines the "defense is better than offense" maxime. I'll go with the revision. - SilverMeerKat
+I just always assumed the same thing [[Clebo]] did. I think that as it stands it undermines the "defense is better than offense" maxime. I'll go with the revision. - [[SilverMeerKat]]
 thing is, [[Braydz]] , i'm starting to agree with ikselam that melee is really the catch-all combat ability for solars - attack, defense, and special powers.  why should its defense have additional advantages (aside from weapon parry bonuses) over a purely defensive ability?  melee gets it, so dodge should, too.  or, if you want to go the other way, take away melee charms' ability to be paid for and chosen *after* the attack roll.  --[[notsoangrydave]]
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 ~*~[[Braydz]]~*~
-The way I've always treated Reed in Wind is that you declare the charm after you know how many dice your opponent is going to roll to hit you...you're the Chosen of the Sun and you should have some clue just how much power you're about to get splatted with, just take a look at their anima for one...Thing is, if he's rolling 18 dice and you choose to up your dodge pool to match it there's still no saying he won't roll half a dozen 10's and clobber you anyway!  Same as there's no guarantee he won't roll the same 18 dice and manage to botch....I've seen it done....hell, I've done it! *pouts*  ~FaeWitch
+The way I've always treated Reed in Wind is that you declare the charm after you know how many dice your opponent is going to roll to hit you...you're the Chosen of the Sun and you should have some clue just how much power you're about to get splatted with, just take a look at their anima for one...Thing is, if he's rolling 18 dice and you choose to up your dodge pool to match it there's still no saying he won't roll half a dozen 10's and clobber you anyway!  Same as there's no guarantee he won't roll the same 18 dice and manage to botch....I've seen it done....hell, I've done it! *pouts*  ~[[FaeWitch]]