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		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=Discussions/TransformingAlchemicals&amp;diff=66897&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-06T01:15:44Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='1' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 01:15, 6 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='2' style='text-align: center;' lang='en'&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;mw-diff-empty&quot;&gt;(No difference)&lt;/div&gt;
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		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
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		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-06T00:35:28Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=Discussions/TransformingAlchemicals&amp;diff=49832&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-05T08:06:30Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 08:06, 5 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='4' style='text-align: center;' class='diff-multi' lang='en'&gt;(2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page TransformingAlchemicals, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;TransformingAlchemicals&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt; &lt;/del&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;#160; How do we handle charm slots or charms that can only be used in one form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;#160; How do we handle charm slots or charms that can only be used in one form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* what about forms that have artifact weapons built in.&amp;#160; If an Alechemical changes into a warstrider with essence cannons, should they cost a charm, or do we simply force the Alchemical to buy them as per&amp;#160; the artifact background?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* what about forms that have artifact weapons built in.&amp;#160; If an Alechemical changes into a warstrider with essence cannons, should they cost a charm, or do we simply force the Alchemical to buy them as per&amp;#160; the artifact background?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;===== Comments =====&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;One of the things I used when working out my own system was in fact quite similar to DBT. A base-charm, such as &amp;quot;Transformation-Gear Engine&amp;quot; or some such, that has numerous and simple benefits. Then, entire charm trees that have the keyword &amp;quot;Transformed&amp;quot; or some such, that requires you to be transformed to use. Those charms are often more powerful than normal charms, and reflect larger scales. At the same time, your normal charms still work, just without any significant benefit, other than the fact that your attributes are probably through the roof. Going with artifacts isn't really appropriate, as Alchemicals can already install artifacts into their charm slots, and call them charms, in some sense. (Using the artifact background to buy extra charms is a valid action). Using your XP for transformed-charm-slots is pricey in the long run, but as each one is generally quite powerful, not a horrible idea, I'd think. Most Gundam-style things really only have 3 or so large-scale charms: Flight, A big sword, and a big gun. Everything else is just a small-scale charm used by a big robot. -- �[[GreenLantern]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=Discussions/TransformingAlchemicals&amp;diff=12148&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Conversion script: link fix</title>
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				<updated>2010-04-03T09:02:42Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;link fix&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:02, 3 April 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page TransformingAlchemicals, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;TransformingAlchemicals&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;===== Comments =====&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;===== Comments =====&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the things I used when working out my own system was in fact quite similar to DBT. A base-charm, such as &amp;quot;Transformation-Gear Engine&amp;quot; or some such, that has numerous and simple benefits. Then, entire charm trees that have the keyword &amp;quot;Transformed&amp;quot; or some such, that requires you to be transformed to use. Those charms are often more powerful than normal charms, and reflect larger scales. At the same time, your normal charms still work, just without any significant benefit, other than the fact that your attributes are probably through the roof. Going with artifacts isn't really appropriate, as Alchemicals can already install artifacts into their charm slots, and call them charms, in some sense. (Using the artifact background to buy extra charms is a valid action). Using your XP for transformed-charm-slots is pricey in the long run, but as each one is generally quite powerful, not a horrible idea, I'd think. Most Gundam-style things really only have 3 or so large-scale charms: Flight, A big sword, and a big gun. Everything else is just a small-scale charm used by a big robot. -- &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;�GreenLantern&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the things I used when working out my own system was in fact quite similar to DBT. A base-charm, such as &amp;quot;Transformation-Gear Engine&amp;quot; or some such, that has numerous and simple benefits. Then, entire charm trees that have the keyword &amp;quot;Transformed&amp;quot; or some such, that requires you to be transformed to use. Those charms are often more powerful than normal charms, and reflect larger scales. At the same time, your normal charms still work, just without any significant benefit, other than the fact that your attributes are probably through the roof. Going with artifacts isn't really appropriate, as Alchemicals can already install artifacts into their charm slots, and call them charms, in some sense. (Using the artifact background to buy extra charms is a valid action). Using your XP for transformed-charm-slots is pricey in the long run, but as each one is generally quite powerful, not a horrible idea, I'd think. Most Gundam-style things really only have 3 or so large-scale charms: Flight, A big sword, and a big gun. Everything else is just a small-scale charm used by a big robot. -- &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;�[[GreenLantern]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Conversion script</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://exalted.xi.co.nz/w/index.php?title=Discussions/TransformingAlchemicals&amp;diff=12147&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>GreenLantern: Some ideas</title>
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				<updated>2007-01-10T12:59:42Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Some ideas&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page TransformingAlchemicals, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*  How do we handle charm slots or charms that can only be used in one form.&lt;br /&gt;
* what about forms that have artifact weapons built in.  If an Alechemical changes into a warstrider with essence cannons, should they cost a charm, or do we simply force the Alchemical to buy them as per  the artifact background?&lt;br /&gt;
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===== Comments =====&lt;br /&gt;
One of the things I used when working out my own system was in fact quite similar to DBT. A base-charm, such as &amp;quot;Transformation-Gear Engine&amp;quot; or some such, that has numerous and simple benefits. Then, entire charm trees that have the keyword &amp;quot;Transformed&amp;quot; or some such, that requires you to be transformed to use. Those charms are often more powerful than normal charms, and reflect larger scales. At the same time, your normal charms still work, just without any significant benefit, other than the fact that your attributes are probably through the roof. Going with artifacts isn't really appropriate, as Alchemicals can already install artifacts into their charm slots, and call them charms, in some sense. (Using the artifact background to buy extra charms is a valid action). Using your XP for transformed-charm-slots is pricey in the long run, but as each one is generally quite powerful, not a horrible idea, I'd think. Most Gundam-style things really only have 3 or so large-scale charms: Flight, A big sword, and a big gun. Everything else is just a small-scale charm used by a big robot. -- �GreenLantern&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>CharlesGray: *</title>
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan='4' style='text-align: center;' class='diff-multi' lang='en'&gt;(One intermediate revision by one other user not shown)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;TransformingAlchemicals&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As mentioned on my page TransformingAlchemicals, I'm a bit stuck for ideas on how to model it. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt; &lt;/ins&gt;I'm considering a DBT style transformation where the alchiemcal pays for the differnt form using mutation points, but that leaves some questions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;#160; How do we handle charm slots or charms that can only be used in one form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;#160; How do we handle charm slots or charms that can only be used in one form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* what about forms that have artifact weapons built in.&amp;#160; If an Alechemical changes into a warstrider with essence cannons, should they cost a charm, or do we simply force the Alchemical to buy them as per&amp;#160; the artifact background?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* what about forms that have artifact weapons built in.&amp;#160; If an Alechemical changes into a warstrider with essence cannons, should they cost a charm, or do we simply force the Alchemical to buy them as per&amp;#160; the artifact background?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;===== Comments =====&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;One of the things I used when working out my own system was in fact quite similar to DBT. A base-charm, such as &amp;quot;Transformation-Gear Engine&amp;quot; or some such, that has numerous and simple benefits. Then, entire charm trees that have the keyword &amp;quot;Transformed&amp;quot; or some such, that requires you to be transformed to use. Those charms are often more powerful than normal charms, and reflect larger scales. At the same time, your normal charms still work, just without any significant benefit, other than the fact that your attributes are probably through the roof. Going with artifacts isn't really appropriate, as Alchemicals can already install artifacts into their charm slots, and call them charms, in some sense. (Using the artifact background to buy extra charms is a valid action). Using your XP for transformed-charm-slots is pricey in the long run, but as each one is generally quite powerful, not a horrible idea, I'd think. Most Gundam-style things really only have 3 or so large-scale charms: Flight, A big sword, and a big gun. Everything else is just a small-scale charm used by a big robot. -- �[[GreenLantern]]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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