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 Just a minor point - the Mantle of Brigid. OK, so it's Artefact N/A and gets to break all the rules, but with it a Sidereal (or a Lunar) could learn & cast Solar Circle Sorcery. -- [[Moxiane]]
-[[Falcon]] - Just had a thought. SSP works as if the spell in question was dispelled by countermagic of its own circle. So, when you shatter a standing SCS effect, you're standing at ground zero for a huge magical explosion - multiple TCS-level effects. Sure, SSP is Reflexive, so you can shatter all the minor spells too, at 12 motes a shot. Even with Essence 5, Willpower 10, and all virtues at 5, you only have 60-odd motes. Five uses, unless you've got some committed to other things. And then, you have to deal with whatever the SCS effect was holding back. Cocky sidereals will <I>die[[Discussions/AreSiderealsUber/I]]>.
+[[Falcon]] - Just had a thought. SSP works as if the spell in question was dispelled by countermagic of its own circle. So, when you shatter a standing SCS effect, you're standing at ground zero for a huge magical explosion - multiple TCS-level effects. Sure, SSP is Reflexive, so you can shatter all the minor spells too, at 12 motes a shot. Even with Essence 5, Willpower 10, and all virtues at 5, you only have 60-odd motes. Five uses, unless you've got some committed to other things. And then, you have to deal with whatever the SCS effect was holding back. Cocky sidereals will <I>die[[Discussions/I]]>.
 :Right on.  I have no problem letting a Sidereal PC or NPC go in with SSP and all his useful adders and such, under these circumstances.  Trading the life of one high-Essence Martial Arts master, who is probably a few centuries old and a valued Sidereal, for a single Solar Circle spell, seems like an even better indication of Solar Circle power than a simple "you can't break it so nyeah" ruling. - [[BillGarrett]]

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-Just a minor point - the Mantle of Brigid. OK, so it's Artefact NDiscussions/[[AreSiderealsUber/A]] and gets to break all the rules, but with it a Sidereal (or a Lunar) could learn & cast Solar Circle Sorcery. -- [[Moxiane]]
+Just a minor point - the Mantle of Brigid. OK, so it's Artefact N/A and gets to break all the rules, but with it a Sidereal (or a Lunar) could learn & cast Solar Circle Sorcery. -- [[Moxiane]]
-[[Falcon]] - Just had a thought. SSP works as if the spell in question was dispelled by countermagic of its own circle. So, when you shatter a standing SCS effect, you're standing at ground zero for a huge magical explosion - multiple TCS-level effects. Sure, SSP is Reflexive, so you can shatter all the minor spells too, at 12 motes a shot. Even with Essence 5, Willpower 10, and all virtues at 5, you only have 60-odd motes. Five uses, unless you've got some committed to other things. And then, you have to deal with whatever the SCS effect was holding back. Cocky sidereals will <I>die</I>.
+[[Falcon]] - Just had a thought. SSP works as if the spell in question was dispelled by countermagic of its own circle. So, when you shatter a standing SCS effect, you're standing at ground zero for a huge magical explosion - multiple TCS-level effects. Sure, SSP is Reflexive, so you can shatter all the minor spells too, at 12 motes a shot. Even with Essence 5, Willpower 10, and all virtues at 5, you only have 60-odd motes. Five uses, unless you've got some committed to other things. And then, you have to deal with whatever the SCS effect was holding back. Cocky sidereals will <I>die[[Discussions/AreSiderealsUber/I]]>.
 :Right on.  I have no problem letting a Sidereal PC or NPC go in with SSP and all his useful adders and such, under these circumstances.  Trading the life of one high-Essence Martial Arts master, who is probably a few centuries old and a valued Sidereal, for a single Solar Circle spell, seems like an even better indication of Solar Circle power than a simple "you can't break it so nyeah" ruling. - [[BillGarrett]]
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 --Finally, let me point something out. I think the designers wanted the different Celestials to be roughly equal, combat wise. They wouldn't make good antagonists otherwise. You'll note Lunars are also pretty near Solars in terms of combat power. But combat is just one thing. A Sidereal doesn't stand a chance againist a Solar in a marathon run or debating contest.--
-Yes, that is what I think to, the Celestials are equal in battle, and both the [[SiderealsDiscussions/AreSiderealsUber/Lunars]] have a schtick, and the on the rest the Solars just rule supreme
+Yes, that is what I think to, the Celestials are equal in battle, and both the Sidereals/Lunars have a schtick, and the on the rest the Solars just rule supreme
 See, people are complaining because they think sidereals are much -better- than solars at combat, not to mention lunars. That's one side of the argum... err... discussion, anyway. Also, you may want to log in and sign your comments. The 2nd is just polite/good practice because then we can see who did it (made the edit), but not logging in and setting a username means you leave your IP address all over recent changes. <br> -- [[Darloth]]
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 :::::"Pliant" or at least "non-obstructive" would have been a more accurate choice of word for my intent than "weak".  I don't have my PG with me, but the Solar Brawl, Resistance, and Endurance (particularly Essence Gathering Temper) trees all had significant (and much needed) combat effectiveness buffs in Power Combat.  --[[Toram]]
-::::::I run a game where the Celestial Bureaucracy has little to no actual effect on anything and Yu-Shan has only appeared in background miniscenes and as a motivational tool for one or two of the PCs. I have not found that this impacts the Charm Balance at all. Of course, I've had maybe...three activations of Sidereal Charms over the course of the entire game, which has run for two months. Despite that, there is no true balance issue between Sidereals and Solars. Especially not due to a single Charm. WSAV requires ST regulation. Obviously. So do HGD and Wyld-Shaping Technique. Requiring the ST to use common-bloody-sense is nothing new. Yes, if you allow a twinkish player utter freedom to buttrape the system, you have some power issues with a few Sidereal Charms. But the same applies for Lunar Charms and Dragon-Blooded Charms and Abyssal Charms and Solar Charms. You can't expect WW writers to design everything at the lowest possible level of STDiscussions/[[AreSiderealsUber/Player]] competence and intelligence. That would utterly ruin the game! Just accept that WSAV needs regulation. So do specialties. - [[Telgar]]
+::::::I run a game where the Celestial Bureaucracy has little to no actual effect on anything and Yu-Shan has only appeared in background miniscenes and as a motivational tool for one or two of the PCs. I have not found that this impacts the Charm Balance at all. Of course, I've had maybe...three activations of Sidereal Charms over the course of the entire game, which has run for two months. Despite that, there is no true balance issue between Sidereals and Solars. Especially not due to a single Charm. WSAV requires ST regulation. Obviously. So do HGD and Wyld-Shaping Technique. Requiring the ST to use common-bloody-sense is nothing new. Yes, if you allow a twinkish player utter freedom to buttrape the system, you have some power issues with a few Sidereal Charms. But the same applies for Lunar Charms and Dragon-Blooded Charms and Abyssal Charms and Solar Charms. You can't expect WW writers to design everything at the lowest possible level of ST/Player competence and intelligence. That would utterly ruin the game! Just accept that WSAV needs regulation. So do specialties. - [[Telgar]]
 :::::Toram, our more accurate choice of words accords with my experience anyway. As for Solar Charms being revised, that is neither here nor there; the Power Combat changes brought a weak Solar combat strategy in line with the other, more viable strategies (making the soak monster more competitive against the Invincible Sword Princess), rather than increasing the splat's ability as a whole. I don't think that a revision of one weak strategy, particularly one that all splats but one are more or less abysmal at, makes for a very convincing case that "before PC revisions, Sidereals are unilaterally better than Solars." In fact, in light of the fact that Sidereal soak strategies are simpy terrible, and all their other combat strategies come out of the gate weaker than Solars', I think that the Power Combat revisions broaden the already-existing gap between Solars and the inferior splats.

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