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= Manacle and Coin Adjusted Cost Chart =

This is an adjusted table of costs in Resources, Jade and Silver coinage, intended to replace the chart in Manacle and Coin. That chart seems to be based on inaccurate assumptions about the value of the coins involved. I've chosen that chart to revise because the rest of the chapter is fairly consistent in its definitions -- the values of coins listed on page 107 line up effectively with the Resources conversion chart on page 122, for example.

The chart I present here adjusts the cost and resources values of most items from the original chart, as well as adding additional gradations and new items in several places to make the chart more authoritative.

These costs are based on several factors:

* The general relationship between costs in the Manacle and Coin chart. While these costs are generally inaccurate, I tried to maintain the overall relative expense of various items, except when dictated otherwise by other concerns.

* The rules for Resources on page 325 of the core book. By these standards, items should go up an order of magnitude, typically, between Resources ratings. In addition, an item with a given Resources should represent a serious purchase for someone with an equal rating -- probably occupying a significant portion of their monthly (or even seasonal) income.

* The need for all units of money. Manacle and Coin seems to indicate that every denomination described within the book is at least theoretically useful in some circumstance, so I've attempted to adjust the chart to reflect this.

* Common sense. The Resources rules in the corebook were intended to be a quick and dirty solution on an extremely grainy scale. They don't really scale properly to include peasants, since even basic items like an ox are far, far beyond a peasant's income. Many items would properly be Resources X, since a peasant could afford them as a significant monthly expense and anyone with a "real" job could buy them out-of-pocket.

* Later information. Some of these costs are refactored to fit with later information. For example, some of the Everyday Wonders are reduced in price, given the relative ease of producing them with thaumaturgy and their relative commonality.

A basic chart of potential cost ranges for each Resources rating:

Resources X: Anything up to about 2 koku

Resources •: Anywhere from 2 koku (about a week's income) to 2 obols (a month's income) 
Resources ••: Anywhere from 2 obols (about a week's income) to 1 mina (a month's income) 
Resources •••: Anywhere from 1 mina (about a week's income) to 4 minae (a month's income) 
Resources ••••: Anywhere from 4 minae (about a week's income) to 4 bars (a month's income) 
Resources •••••: Anywhere from 4 bars (about a week's income) to 4 talents (a season's income)

Some objects will cost more than the listed minimums, if they are considered a large investment. For example, houses and land tend to exceed these maximums, since one is likely to devote a significantly larger portion of one's income towards buying one.

While it's not specified as such in the book, this revised chart assumes that all prices are urban -- the prices you would pay in the Imperial City or Nexus for such items. In a smaller city, cut the prices of common goods and services by a quarter to a third. In villages and rural areas, reduce the cost of locally available goods (clothes, food, animals, etc.) by a half to two-thirds; however, double, triple, or more the costs of luxuries and other imported goods.

For items like weapons and armor, this chart also assumes that the items being purchased are of fine quality -- made with solid, careful craftsmanship. For basic or poor workmanship, reduce the prices by as much as one half. For exceptional weapons and armor, double the listed price.

All silver prices provided are given as a strict conversion from Jade standard prices, given the current conversion rate of 1 Jade Talent = 5 Silver Talents (page 119). This works out to 1 obol = 7.8125 dinars, which puts the value of a dinar at just over that of a koku. It also provides for some very pleasant conversions.

== Sustenance ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
A week of gruel for a family X 1 siu 1/16 dinar
A week of basic food for a family X 2 siu 1/8 dinar
A week of meat for a family X 3 siu 3/16 dinar
A week of fine food for a family • 4 koku 4 dinars
A week of excellent food for a family •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
A barrel of beer • 3 koku 3 dinars
A crate of tea • 5 koku 5 dinars
A cask of wine (poor) • 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
A cask of wine (fine) •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
A cask of wine (vintage) ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
</pre>

== Room and Board ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
A bed in a poor hostel (nightly) X 2 koku 2 dinars
A room at an inn (nightly) • 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
A room at a fine inn (nightly) •• 3 obols 23 1/2 dinars
A room at a noble inn (nightly) ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
A single room in a city (monthly) • 3 koku 3 dinars
A comfortable apartment in a city (monthly) •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
A nice apartment in a city (monthly) ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
A posh apartment in a city (monthly) •••• 6 minae 750 dinars
A meal at a poor establishment X 1 siu 1/16 dinar
A meal at an inn • 2 koku 2 dinars
A meal at a fine inn • 6 koku 6 dinars
A meal at a noble inn •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
</pre>

== Clothing and Jewelry ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Peasant Clothes X 4 yen 1/256 dinar
Fine Clothes • 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
Fancy Clothes •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Courtly Clothes ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Royal Rainment •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Noble Jewelry ••• 3 minae 375 dinars
Regal Jewelry •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
Imperial Jewelry ••••• 6 bars 6000 dinars
</pre>

== Slaves and Animals ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Unskilled Slave •• 6 obols 46 7/8 dinars
Skilled Slave •• 1 mina 125 dinars
Concubine ••• 2 minae 250 dinars
Slave keep (annual) • 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Small pet X 3 siu 1/32 dinar
Small farm animal X 4 quian 1/16 dinar
Large farm animal • 2 koku 2 dinars
Poor horse • 2 koku 2 dinars
Fine camel/horse •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
Elephant or mammoth ••• 5 shekels 312 1/2 dinars
Horse fodder (monthly) • 2 koku 2 dinars
Elephant fodder (monthly) •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Work horse stabling (weekly) • 6 koku 6 dinars
Fine horse stabling (weekly) •• 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
</pre>

== Ships and Property ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Buy an estate •••• 1 talent 8000 dinars
Build a peasant house • 1 shekel 62 1/2 dinars
Build country or town house •••• 10 bars 10000 dinars
Staff a country villa or townhouse ••• 2 minae 250 dinars
Furnish tounhouse or villa (spartan) ••• 3 shekels 187 1/2 dinars
Furnish townhouse or villa (posh) •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Build a grand palace ••••• 3 talents 24000 dinars
Staff a grand palace (monthly) •••• 5 minae 625 dinars
Furnish a grand palace (spartan) •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
Furnish a grand palace (posh) ••••• 1 talent 8000 dinars
Lavish feast for two dozen ••• 3 minae 375 dinars
Grand banquet for 200 •••• 12 minae 1500 dinars
Erect a Manse (* to ***) •••• 1 talent 8000 dinars
Erect a Manse (**** to *****) ••••• 4 talents 32000 dinars
Passage across the Inland Sea •• 1 shekel 62.5 dinars
Buy a yacht or ship •••• 4 bars 4000 dinars
Crew and provender a ship (monthly) •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Crew and provender a yacht (monthly) ••• 2 minae 250 dinars
Rent a mercenary company (monthly) •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Rent a crack mercenary company (monthly) •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
</pre>

== Realm Expenses ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Commission (field command) ••• 4 minae 500 dinars
Commission (legion command) •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
Donatives to become imperial prefect •••• 4 bars 4000 dinars
Donatives to become imperial satrap ••••• 1 talent 8000 dinars
Donatives to get into a good school ••• 4 minae 500 dinars
Raise a new legion ••••• 1 talent 8000 dinars
Keep a legion armed, fed (annually) •••• 3 bars 3000 dinars
</pre>

== Weapons ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Chopping Sword ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Great Sword ••• 3 shekels 187 1/2 dinars
Knife X 1 koku 1 dinar
Short Sword • 2 koku 2 dinars
Slashing Sword •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Straight Sword •• 3 obols 23 1/2 dinars
Axe • 4 koku 4 dinars
Club/Staff • 2 koku 2 dinars
Great Axe •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Hammer • 4 koku 4 dinars
Mace • 6 koku 6 dinars
Poleaxe •• 1 shekel 62 1/2 dinars
Sledge •• 5 obols 39 1/16 dinars
Lance • 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
Short Spear • 2 koku 2 dinars
Spear • 6 koku 6 dinars
Cestus • 4 koku 4 dinars
Fighting Gauntlet • 1 obol 7 13/16 dinars
Khatar •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
Tiger Claws •• 6 obols 46 7/8 dinars
Hook Sword ••• 3 shekels 187 1/2 dinars
Seven-Section Staff •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Wind-Fire Wheel •• 3 obols 23 1/2 dinars
Short Bow • 4 koku 4 dinars
Long Bow •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Composite Bow ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Chakram X 1 koku 1 dinar
Hatchet • 2 koku 2 dinars
Javelin X 1 koku 1 dinar
Throwing Baton X 1 koku 1 dinar
Throwing Knife X 1 koku 1 dinar
</pre>

== Armor ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Breastplate •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
Buff Jacket • 4 koku 4 dinars
Chain Shirt •• 6 obols 46 7/8 dinars
Chain Hauberk ••• 1 minae 125 dinars
Lamellar ••• 3 shekels 187 1/2 dinars
Reinforced Buff Jacket •• 5 obols 39 1/16 dinars
(Concealed Plates) •• 7 obols 54 11/16 dinars
Articulated Plate •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
Plate-and-Chain ••• 4 minae 500 dinars
Reinforced Breastplate ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Chain Swathing ••• 4 minae 500 dinars
Superheavy Plate •••• 3 bars 3000 dinars
</pre>

== Helmets and Shields ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Masked Helm ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Pot Helm •• 3 obols 23 1/2 dinars
Slotted Helm •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Buckler • 2 koku 2 dinars
Target Shield •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
Tower Shield ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
</pre>

== Everyday Wonders ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Premade prayer papers • 2 koku 2 dinars
Special prayer papers •• 2 obols 15 5/8 dinars
Small animal sacrifices • 4 koku 4 dinars
Large animal sacrifices •• 4 obols 31 1/2 dinars
Burning incense ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
Seven Bounties Paste ••• 2 minae 250 dinars
Sweet Cordial •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Found luck talisman X 1 koku 1 dinar
Found disease talisman X 1 koku 1 dinar
Found warding charm • 3 koku 3 dinars
Created warding charm •• 3 obols 23 1/2 dinars
Created good luck charm •• 4 obols 31 1/4 dinars
Created walkaway ••• 1 mina 125 dinars
</pre>

== Lesser and Greater Wonders ==

<pre>Item Resources Jade Silver</pre>
<pre>
Collar of Dawn's Cleansing Light ••• 4 minae 500 dinars
Dragon Tear Tiara •••• 1 bar 1000 dinars
Daiklave •••• 4 bars 4000 dinars
Grand Daiklave ••••• 2 talents 16000 dinars
Hearthstone Amulet ••• 3 minae 375 dinars
Hearthstone Bracers •••• 2 bars 2000 dinars
Mask •••• 4 bars 4000 dinars
</pre>

=== Comments and Appreciations ===
Hey Charlequin, I added this chart to the [[Backgrounds]] page because I wish I had found it months ago. I won't let the other folks down! --UncleChu

Ooo, shinything! Thanks to the both of you! -- [[Darloth]]

UncleChu: I did it all for you, Charlequin

2006-03-28T14:52:36Z

I did it all for you, Charlequin

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−	~~=== Comments and Appreciations ===~~
−	~~Hey Charlequin, I added this chart to the [[Backgrounds]] page because I wish I had found it months ago. I won't let the other folks down! --[[UncleChu]]~~
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−	~~Ooo, shinything! Thanks to the both of you! <br> -- [[Darloth]]~~

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 Straight Sword					••		3 obols		23 1/2 dinars
 Axe						•		4 koku		4 dinars
-[[ClubCharlequin/ManacleAndCoinRevisedChart/Staff]]					•		2 koku		2 dinars
+Club/Staff					•		2 koku		2 dinars
 Great Axe					••		2 obols		15 5/8 dinars
 Hammer						•		4 koku		4 dinars