BogModAlternateSidereals/Astrology - Revision history

BogMod at 03:05, 21 May 2011

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‎Probablistics

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‎Resplendant Destinies

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‎Astrological Cloaking

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 A Sidereal can weave appropriate destinies for other Realms of existance(baring places where her Astrology normally breaks down) but it requires seperate destinies for those places.  Though the pattern spiders do not enforce it instead the results of paradox are from a general fate knotted build up.  Beings such as Deathlords or Second Circle demons do not automatically see through such destinies but the wise Sidereal is aware that they are far more capable of piercing them if they have reason to.  Sidereals masquerading as Deathknights should be careful when trying to convince the Deathlord they work for them.  Such things can end very badly.
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 Fate is never a sure thing but it does have its favorites.  The weave of fate is as clear as day to the Vizears and they can know how things may go.  This allows Sidereals to determine Difficulties at a glance.  Alternatively they can know in a more percentile sort of way or rough feel for the difficulty sorta way the odds of things going a particular way.  If it is an event that is about to happen, or very shortly, they need not bother consulting the stars and using their strange math.  If it is something more distant they must consult and plot.  This prediction does take into account Essence use and that means they will sometimes see two sets of odds, one accounting for non-magic and one accounting for magic.
-For example Three Finger Shen knows that Vengeful Orchid plans to confront the Moray Darktide and make him turn from the Mask of Winters or die.  Consulting the stars and what may be he sees that her chances of success are...not that good.  At best an even fight between the two Solars.  Since he wishes to see the burgeoning western Solar Empire continue to grow he goes and speaks with her mate.  The next day when she goes to her boat to leave to confront him she finds Crescent Paws, her Lunar Mate, waiting to join her.  Together the two of them will face off against Moray Darktide.  Later, after a difficult fight with the Solar of Skullstone and his defeat, Orchid and Paws marvel at the wisdom of the Vizier in sending Paws along with her.
+For example Three Finger Shen knows that Vengeful Orchid plans to confront Moray Darktide and make him turn from the Mask of Winters or die.  Consulting the stars and what may be he sees that her chances of success are...not that good.  At best an even fight between the two Solars.  Since he wishes to see the burgeoning western Solar Empire continue to grow he goes and speaks with her mate.  The next day when she goes to her boat to leave to confront him she finds Crescent Paws, her Lunar Mate, waiting to join her.  Together the two of them will face off against Moray Darktide.  Later, after a difficult fight with the Solar of Skullstone and his defeat, Orchid and Paws marvel at the wisdom of the Vizier in sending Paws along with her.
 == Predictions and Investigations ==

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	This is the same style of influence that the Gods of the Bureau of Destiny use to shape events. When they want a group to abandon a village they use this as well as contacts amongst the other bureaus to shape events to encourage people to follow the inspiration put into their heads. It is an offense to use this on Celestial gods of rank 3 or higher with the Severity equalling the Gods rank.		This is the same style of influence that the Gods of the Bureau of Destiny use to shape events. When they want a group to abandon a village they use this as well as contacts amongst the other bureaus to shape events to encourage people to follow the inspiration put into their heads. It is an offense to use this on Celestial gods of rank 3 or higher with the Severity equalling the Gods rank.
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		+	An important thing to note is that a Sidereal can apply some subtle changes to the setting the event happens under as well. So when a Sidereal is trying to make a particular guild caravan take one fork in the road over the other they can have their attempt to get them to change directions take the form of a tree fallen over one path. This is subtle and can easily happen but things like having a volcano devestate a path in the middle of the Scavanger Lands is quite beyond their scope. The event shaping must fit the situation.

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 Some places are beyond their prediction.  The Deep Wyld and beyond is too shaped by things without reason and their astrology fails to predict that which hides there.  The lower levels of the Labyrinth are too close to the Void which consumes fate as surely as it does all things.  The Well of Udr is another place that is a blind spot as its connection to the other disrupts normal investigations there.  The Underworld, Malfeas, Creation, Yu-shan, all such are within the reach of their Astrology to influence and predict.
-While in Yu-shan or Creation a Sidereal can use their powers on both realms easily.  However to work them the same on the Underworld or Malfeas requires they be within that realm which means either a shadowland or the underworld proper or in Malfeas or walking the 5 day path that will lead to it.
+While in Yu-shan or Creation a Sidereal can use their powers on both realms easily.  However to work them the same on the Underworld or Malfeas requires they be within that realm which means either a shadowland or the underworld proper or in Malfeas or walking the 5 day path that will lead to it.  Those who enter from other realms are not immidiently incorporated into their predictions unless that intervention happens due to something they can predict.  So Sidereals could guess at the outcomes of a Solar summoning a third circle demon to Creation but when one escapes into Creation during Calibration that will catch them offgaurd for a time until they are properly enmeshed in Creation's fate.
 On top of that there are ways to hide what one does from fate as surely as there are ways to avoid the sight of the gaurds on the wall as you make your escape.  Neither effect necessarily trumps the other but it does often mean that Sidereals will have to make a personal investigation themselves to figure out what is going on.  For example the Deathlords in their fortresses in the Underworld are well aware of the Sidereal Exalted and with necromancy and sorcery and geomancy they cloak their fortresses from their investigations.  A very talented and very lucky Sidereal might pierce those and get some clues but since they would allready have to be in the Underworld to check it does become a hassle.

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 The duration of a resplendent destiny is set by a chart as follows.
 <b>Successes</b><br>
-: A week
+: A week<br>
-: A month
+: A month<br>
-: A season
+: A season<br>
-: A year
+: A year<br>
-: 2 years
+: 2 years<br>
-: 5 years
+: 5 years<br>
-: A decade
+: A decade<br>
-: A century
+: A century<br>
-: A millenium
+: A millenium<br>
 : An age.

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	Now for an Example: Lu Zhin is Chosen of the Unconquered Sun and an Iron Wolf. Within the city of Seven Sentinels he is in charge of intelligence and security. His charms let him see through obstructions, he can see the dematerial, and he has trained agents in the city and outside it that feed him information. If something is going on he probably knows about it. If he knows about it he probably knows all about it. This is the result of charms and rolls, backed by time and information. The Chosen of Secret's Crystal Dove were to wanting to know about the criminal element in that city could spend the night doing her charts and come up with some facts. She might know the name of the most powerful gang or about a planned heist that will soon be attempted. She can find this all out without actually seeing the city or getting involved. It isn't as complete a picture as Lu Zhin possesses but neither does it require the same investment of effort.		Now for an Example: Lu Zhin is Chosen of the Unconquered Sun and an Iron Wolf. Within the city of Seven Sentinels he is in charge of intelligence and security. His charms let him see through obstructions, he can see the dematerial, and he has trained agents in the city and outside it that feed him information. If something is going on he probably knows about it. If he knows about it he probably knows all about it. This is the result of charms and rolls, backed by time and information. The Chosen of Secret's Crystal Dove were to wanting to know about the criminal element in that city could spend the night doing her charts and come up with some facts. She might know the name of the most powerful gang or about a planned heist that will soon be attempted. She can find this all out without actually seeing the city or getting involved. It isn't as complete a picture as Lu Zhin possesses but neither does it require the same investment of effort.
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		+	When Lu Zhin rolls his Perception + Investigation to figure out the goings on and scores 13 successees, he will get more out of it than should Crystal Dove get 13 successes on her Intelligence + Craft(Fate) roll. She will have insights though that do not require her to be there and perhaps may include things which might otherwise be a blind spot. Lu Zhin has no reasonable way to know afterall that the Mask of Winters will be sending his agents to the city soon as he has no insight into the Deathlords court or plans. He might quickly realize their presence when they arrive but will not have the forewarning.

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 Astrology does not give up all the secrets of the world to those know how to read it.  Instead it can act like a great signpost.  One advantage the Sidereal over say the careful scrutiny of the Night Caste is that they are less bound by being in a place.  A Sidereal could be safely at home in their mountain retreat and learn things happening in Chiaroscuro while her Solar peer will need agents there or be there in person.
-The key difference between using their reading of the stars and being there in person is how much they get out of it.  Astrology gives clues and nice signposts but will not give as much as being there.  It can give a good place to start though.
+The key difference between using their reading of the stars and being there in person is how much they get out of it.  Astrology gives clues and nice signposts but will not give as much as being there.  It can give a good place to start though.  Actual investigations and a developed presence will yield more than the readings of the stars.
 Using Perception + Craft(Fate) or an appropriate ability the Vizier can make predictions of things that will happen or try to determine things that are happening.  Just like being on the street the Vizier could make Larceny rolls to infiltrate a criminal gang so too can the Sidereal figure out things going on without ever putting a foot down in the city.