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−	One thing that has allways bothered me about the Sidereals is the no custom charms aside from martial arts thing. For a group of advisors and wise men ultimately they are all effectively just Dawns or Full Moons. Their thing is to fight. The Sidereal book talks about how only the Maiden's can design charms that work with the Loom of Fate without horribly snarling things and I accept this. ~~However charms don't have~~ to ~~work using~~ the ~~Loom~~ of ~~Fate~~. So ~~these charms are what would have come about if the Sidereals had developed~~ their ~~own natural~~ abilities ~~rather then working only with~~ the ~~Charms~~ the ~~Maidens designed for them and their martial arts~~.	+	One thing that has allways bothered me about the Sidereals is the no custom charms aside from martial arts thing. For a group of advisors and wise men ultimately they are all effectively just Dawns or Full Moons. Their thing is to fight. The Sidereal book talks about how only the Maiden's can design charms that work with the Loom of Fate without horribly snarling things and I accept this. Personally, the idea that the Exalted were designed to basically ruin the world through the use of their powers comes across very...ugh. So yeah, this is a decoupling of their abilities from the Maidens/Loom. Treating Fate more like a great fundamental aspect of existance like the 5 Elements.

	Sidereal's are ability based but not in the same way as Solars or Dragonblooded. Where Solars shine with perfection and rulership and the might of the Unconquered Sun and Dragonblooded flavor their acts with the elements Sidereals have the constellations to draw themes from. Charms draw their strength from three things. First of all there is the ability in question. Putting essence into mundane talents allows for extraordinary things. Second of all there is a college for reach ability and themes can be drawn from that. Finally there is the Maiden in question who each ability resonates with.		Sidereal's are ability based but not in the same way as Solars or Dragonblooded. Where Solars shine with perfection and rulership and the might of the Unconquered Sun and Dragonblooded flavor their acts with the elements Sidereals have the constellations to draw themes from. Charms draw their strength from three things. First of all there is the ability in question. Putting essence into mundane talents allows for extraordinary things. Second of all there is a college for reach ability and themes can be drawn from that. Finally there is the Maiden in question who each ability resonates with.

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 Sidereal's are ability based but not in the same way as Solars or Dragonblooded.  Where Solars shine with perfection and rulership and the might of the Unconquered Sun and Dragonblooded flavor their acts with the elements Sidereals have the constellations to draw themes from.  Charms draw their strength from three things.  First of all there is the ability in question.  Putting essence into mundane talents allows for extraordinary things.  Second of all there is a college for reach ability and themes can be drawn from that.  Finally there is the Maiden in question who each ability resonates with.
-I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.  This should be applied to charms that draw on the Astrological themes of each ability rather than charms which have a more mundane build off of an ability.  Note my initial use of it was somewhat inconsistent and I have not gone through them all to edit yet.
+I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.  This should be applied to charms that draw on the Astrological themes of each ability rather than charms which have a more mundane build off of an ability.  Note my initial use of it was somewhat inconsistent and I have not gone through them all to edit yet.  Settings which incorporate astrology and constellations in some form for the Underworld and other realms should consider Sidereals being able to pick up such techniques and gain appropriate 'House' backgrounds if they delve into it.
 Another change is happening to the Sidereal Dice Cap.  It is now set at Essence + Ability.  The Fateful Ability Excellency is Combo-Ok, but is not comboable with other excellencies.  Their Third Excellency costs 4m now and their Second Excellency works just like a Solar or Lunar or DB second Excellency.

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 Sidereal's are ability based but not in the same way as Solars or Dragonblooded.  Where Solars shine with perfection and rulership and the might of the Unconquered Sun and Dragonblooded flavor their acts with the elements Sidereals have the constellations to draw themes from.  Charms draw their strength from three things.  First of all there is the ability in question.  Putting essence into mundane talents allows for extraordinary things.  Second of all there is a college for reach ability and themes can be drawn from that.  Finally there is the Maiden in question who each ability resonates with.
-I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.
+I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.  This should be applied to charms that draw on the Astrological themes of each ability rather than charms which have a more mundane build off of an ability.  Note my initial use of it was somewhat inconsistent and I have not gone through them all to edit yet.
 Another change is happening to the Sidereal Dice Cap.  It is now set at Essence + Ability.  The Fateful Ability Excellency is Combo-Ok, but is not comboable with other excellencies.  Their Third Excellency costs 4m now and their Second Excellency works just like a Solar or Lunar or DB second Excellency.

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 === General ===
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 == Powers ==
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 One thing that has allways bothered me about the Sidereals is the no custom charms aside from martial arts thing.  For a group of advisors and wise men ultimately they are all effectively just Dawns or Full Moons.  Their thing is to fight.  The Sidereal book talks about how only the Maiden's can design charms that work with the Loom of Fate without horribly snarling things and I accept this.  However charms don't have to work using the Loom of Fate.  So these charms are what would have come about if the Sidereals had developed their own natural abilities rather then working only with the Charms the Maidens designed for them and their martial arts.
-These charms operate more like Dragonblooded charms really.  Not in power or in theme.  They are charms comparable to Lunar charms and not as strong as Solar charms.  Rather then elemental themes the charms have themes appropriate to their Maiden and their Constellation.  I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.
+Sidereal's are ability based but not in the same way as Solars or Dragonblooded.  Where Solars shine with perfection and rulership and the might of the Unconquered Sun and Dragonblooded flavor their acts with the elements Sidereals have the constellations to draw themes from.  Charms draw their strength from three things.  First of all there is the ability in question.  Putting essence into mundane talents allows for extraordinary things.  Second of all there is a college for reach ability and themes can be drawn from that.  Finally there is the Maiden in question who each ability resonates with.
-Another change is happening to the Sidereal Dice Cap.  It is now set at Essence * 2.  The Fateful Ability Excellency is Combo-Ok, but is not comboable with other excellencies.  Their Third Excellency costs 4m now and their Second Excellency works just like a Solar or Lunar or DB second Excellency.
+I am introducing a new Keyword called College.  To go with this Keyword is a new background called House.  This House background will replace the College trait from normal sidereals.  The House background goes from one to five dots.  There is one House background for each of the 5 Houses of Colleges.  This single background effectively counts as having that many dots in each College of that House.  So a Sidereal with the background House of Secrets 4 for purposes of Astrology and such they count as having 4 in all of the Colleges of that House.  Charms with the College Keyword will require dots in the appropriate House.  In this way it is similiar to Purity or Avatar Keyword charms.
-These new charms will not have Fate, Prayer Strip or Maiden keyword charms.  They do not interact with the Loom but instead with fundamental principals and traits relating to fate that were built into existance when the Primordials designed Creation.  Like a Dragonbloodeds elemental power or a Solars perfection these traits exist as part of the Sidereal and work anywhere at full effectiveness.  Also, Prayer Strip charms are really weird as a charm idea, being how they require you to have a specific component to do them its really more like sorcery then anything.
+Another change is happening to the Sidereal Dice Cap.  It is now set at Essence + Ability.  The Fateful Ability Excellency is Combo-Ok, but is not comboable with other excellencies.  Their Third Excellency costs 4m now and their Second Excellency works just like a Solar or Lunar or DB second Excellency.
-On a slight historical note I have decided that Sidereals being the rather hubris filled sorts they are have three times in the past tried to make a functional charm that works with the Loom that was not designed with the Maidens.  Each of these three instances ended in disaster.
+These new charms will not have Fate, Prayer Strip or Maiden keyword charms.  They do not interact with the Loom but instead with fundamental principals and traits relating to fate that were built into existance when the Primordials designed Creation and have rippled outward to touch all parts of existance.  Like a Dragonbloodeds elemental power or a Solars perfection these traits exist as part of the Sidereal and work anywhere at full effectiveness.  Also, Prayer Strip charms are really weird as a charm idea, being how they require you to have a specific component to do them its really more like sorcery then anything.
 Glories seems to have gone halfway to giving the player base what they want in terms of new sid charms.  Astrology charms are pretty much exactly what the books say would happen if the Sidereals could make new charms.  Giant fuckups across the Loom.  Wrong direction I still think and it still makes Sidereals so oddly relient on something outside of themselves.  Still I like this sort of approach to things.  Its become clear that there is an idea of fate beyond merely the loom in Samsara, cosmic principals and all that so these shouldn't be too impossible to think about.

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 New idea for Prayer Strip charms.  Sidereal charms with that keyword will have enhanced effects when used with a prayer strip but can be used even without.  Like how some charms with the Wyld keyword are except these will always be useable.
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 === Journeys ===

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	I really liked all of your ideas and am likely going to implement them with my Sidereal NPCs in my tabletop game. My only question is: Since the idea of Resplendent Destinies is still pretty much covered by the House ratings, how are you treating Arcane Fate and its effects? -[[Isane]]		I really liked all of your ideas and am likely going to implement them with my Sidereal NPCs in my tabletop game. My only question is: Since the idea of Resplendent Destinies is still pretty much covered by the House ratings, how are you treating Arcane Fate and its effects? -[[Isane]]
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		+	Arcane Fate and its effects still work the same. Turning the Colleges into background makes them cheaper and easier to be good at as well as allowing nice connection into the charm structure. -BogMod

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	:When I originally wrote it I went with the impression that the original charmlist still existed. However I feel that this could very easily be done as a complete replace and is how I am currently playtesting it. Alas no, the 3 failures are not at the moment as they are more a story idea than anything else. -BogMod		:When I originally wrote it I went with the impression that the original charmlist still existed. However I feel that this could very easily be done as a complete replace and is how I am currently playtesting it. Alas no, the 3 failures are not at the moment as they are more a story idea than anything else. -BogMod
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		+	I really liked all of your ideas and am likely going to implement them with my Sidereal NPCs in my tabletop game. My only question is: Since the idea of Resplendent Destinies is still pretty much covered by the House ratings, how are you treating Arcane Fate and its effects? -[[Isane]]

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	Does this mean that at least some of the "standard" Sidereal Charms still exist, they can just also learn and make new charms as well? Or is this list meant to completely replace any existing Sidereal Charm. Also are the 3 Failures in this list? -[[StarJaunter]]		Does this mean that at least some of the "standard" Sidereal Charms still exist, they can just also learn and make new charms as well? Or is this list meant to completely replace any existing Sidereal Charm. Also are the 3 Failures in this list? -[[StarJaunter]]
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		+	:When I originally wrote it I went with the impression that the original charmlist still existed. However I feel that this could very easily be done as a complete replace and is how I am currently playtesting it. Alas no, the 3 failures are not at the moment as they are more a story idea than anything else. -BogMod