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Arafelis: Terrifying Apparition vs Gifts of Fear

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Terrifying Apparition vs Gifts of Fear

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 ::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
-:::Note that I created this primarily in response to the [[Szilard/MoreThoughtsOnLunars | discussion]] over on [[szilard]]'s page.  If you don't think that DBT needs to be changed, don't alter it.  The Essence requirement is to limit players from over-specializing in a particular type of power; if you think a specific Gift (such as gills) is overcosted but that the system is workable, tell me what you think it should cost (or modify this system to suit your vision better).  - [[Arafelis]]
+:::Note that I created this primarily in response to the [[Szilard/MoreThoughtsOnLunars|discussion]] over on [[szilard]]'s page.  If you don't think that DBT needs to be changed, don't alter it.  The Essence requirement is to limit players from over-specializing in a particular type of power; if you think a specific Gift (such as gills) is overcosted but that the system is workable, tell me what you think it should cost (or modify this system to suit your vision better).  - [[Arafelis]]
 ::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]

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   &bull;     +1 Strength
   &bull;&bull;    +1 Accuracy and Speed
-  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 LArafelis/[[DeadlyBeastmanForm/B]] soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
+  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L/B soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
   &bull;&bull;&bull;&bull;  1 mote (per wound level)/round

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   &bull;     +1 Strength
   &bull;&bull;    +1 Accuracy and Speed
-  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L/B soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
+  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 LArafelis/[[DeadlyBeastmanForm/B]] soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
   &bull;&bull;&bull;&bull;  1 mote (per wound level)/round
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 :This is all background for the actual issue: Three levels of each Gift, keeping the current intentional restrictions, would require setting Essence minimums to each level (level 1, 1, level 2, 3, level 3, 5), and changing XP cost and the number of Gifts awarded by Charm purchase.  This is called 'running in place'- characters would get the same amount of power for the points they spent.  Having five levels just spreads it out a little.
-::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::Note that I created this primarily in response to the [[Szilard/MoreThoughtsOnLunars | discussion]] over on [[szilard]]'s page.  If you don't think that DBT needs to be changed, don't alter it.  The Essence requirement is to limit players from over-specializing in a particular type of power; if you think a specific Gift (such as gills) is overcosted but that the system is workable, tell me what you think it should cost (or modify this system to suit your vision better).  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::::To be fair, that's a bit like saying that because Sail comes up less often than Dodge, it shouldn't be an Ability, or it should be cheaper. In a certain type of story, Sail is very important, and in any other type of campaign you just wouldn't invest many points in it - the same goes for the less obviously powerful Gifts. If you're a Lunar stealth-assassain, you almost certainly need climb-on-walls abilitys ( more so than soak, even ). Otherwise, just don't buy any. -- [[Xarak]]
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 :::Hmmm... what about a gift that both added additional dots in attributes and raised your permissible total as you increased it? -[[szilard]]
-::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::Acutally, if you split the attribute bonuses into two gifts (Horrifying Might and Terrifying Agility, for example) and use the four-dot system, this should take care of itself insofar as you can only buy up to your Essence in dots... though that might end up too limiting. -[[szilard]]
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 :::::I think I like a combination of these ideas; characters may up to double their base Attribute with DBT points (as above, without +Essence).  Additionally, a Gift named perhaps "Gifts of Might and Grace," purchased normally, increases this limit by 1 for all Attributes.  Levels above four might increase the maximum by two or even three per purchase.  I'm not sure whether or not to give Full Moons +1 limit by default or not.  How's that sound?  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
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 :Note that three levels of the Fear Gift (which may be purchased by a starting Lunar with only one level of DBT), as written, appear to be better than Terrifying Apparition of Glory. That strikes me as... problematic. -[[szilard]]
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 To see the older versions of these Gifts, check any revision before 27.

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   &bull;     +1 Strength
   &bull;&bull;    +1 Accuracy and Speed
-  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L/B soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
+  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L[[/B]] soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
   &bull;&bull;&bull;&bull;  1 mote (per wound level)/round
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 :This is all background for the actual issue: Three levels of each Gift, keeping the current intentional restrictions, would require setting Essence minimums to each level (level 1, 1, level 2, 3, level 3, 5), and changing XP cost and the number of Gifts awarded by Charm purchase.  This is called 'running in place'- characters would get the same amount of power for the points they spent.  Having five levels just spreads it out a little.
-::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::Note that I created this primarily in response to the [[Szilard/MoreThoughtsOnLunars | discussion]] over on [[szilard]]'s page.  If you don't think that DBT needs to be changed, don't alter it.  The Essence requirement is to limit players from over-specializing in a particular type of power; if you think a specific Gift (such as gills) is overcosted but that the system is workable, tell me what you think it should cost (or modify this system to suit your vision better).  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::::To be fair, that's a bit like saying that because Sail comes up less often than Dodge, it shouldn't be an Ability, or it should be cheaper. In a certain type of story, Sail is very important, and in any other type of campaign you just wouldn't invest many points in it - the same goes for the less obviously powerful Gifts. If you're a Lunar stealth-assassain, you almost certainly need climb-on-walls abilitys ( more so than soak, even ). Otherwise, just don't buy any. -- [[Xarak]]
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 :::Hmmm... what about a gift that both added additional dots in attributes and raised your permissible total as you increased it? -[[szilard]]
-::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
 :::Acutally, if you split the attribute bonuses into two gifts (Horrifying Might and Terrifying Agility, for example) and use the four-dot system, this should take care of itself insofar as you can only buy up to your Essence in dots... though that might end up too limiting. -[[szilard]]
@@ Line 255: / Line 255: @@
 :::::I think I like a combination of these ideas; characters may up to double their base Attribute with DBT points (as above, without +Essence).  Additionally, a Gift named perhaps "Gifts of Might and Grace," purchased normally, increases this limit by 1 for all Attributes.  Levels above four might increase the maximum by two or even three per purchase.  I'm not sure whether or not to give Full Moons +1 limit by default or not.  How's that sound?  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ BerserkSeraph
+::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
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   &bull;     +1 Strength
   &bull;&bull;    +1 Accuracy and Speed
-  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L[[/B]] soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
+  &bull;&bull;&bull;   +1 L/B soak and an additional 1 point penalty reduction
   &bull;&bull;&bull;&bull;  1 mote (per wound level)/round
@@ Line 226: / Line 226: @@
 :This is all background for the actual issue: Three levels of each Gift, keeping the current intentional restrictions, would require setting Essence minimums to each level (level 1, 1, level 2, 3, level 3, 5), and changing XP cost and the number of Gifts awarded by Charm purchase.  This is called 'running in place'- characters would get the same amount of power for the points they spent.  Having five levels just spreads it out a little.
-::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
+::Why do I need 6 points of Gifts to simulate my squid totem? The fact is that you've recreated DBT with a higher Essence requirement for having Gifts worth having (My squid would have to increase his Essence just to get the same mileage out of 2 iterations of this Charm), and increased the degree of record-keeping. I do not consider an increase in complexity alongside a commeasurate decrease in power to be a 'fix'. ~ BerserkSeraph
 :::Note that I created this primarily in response to the [[Szilard/MoreThoughtsOnLunars | discussion]] over on [[szilard]]'s page.  If you don't think that DBT needs to be changed, don't alter it.  The Essence requirement is to limit players from over-specializing in a particular type of power; if you think a specific Gift (such as gills) is overcosted but that the system is workable, tell me what you think it should cost (or modify this system to suit your vision better).  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
+::::I want to change DBT. I don't see how 'more complex' is a good way to change it. Well, actually, my fix IS more complex, but it is so in a manner I approve of. Keep in mind that things such as 'breathing underwater' and 'climbing walls' come up relatively rarely, whereas Soak applies often. Similarly, reducing multiple-action penalties by 2 is less potent than boosting Dex by 2, but they'd cost the same under this system. ~ BerserkSeraph
 :::::To be fair, that's a bit like saying that because Sail comes up less often than Dodge, it shouldn't be an Ability, or it should be cheaper. In a certain type of story, Sail is very important, and in any other type of campaign you just wouldn't invest many points in it - the same goes for the less obviously powerful Gifts. If you're a Lunar stealth-assassain, you almost certainly need climb-on-walls abilitys ( more so than soak, even ). Otherwise, just don't buy any. -- [[Xarak]]
@@ Line 247: / Line 247: @@
 :::Hmmm... what about a gift that both added additional dots in attributes and raised your permissible total as you increased it? -[[szilard]]
-::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
+::::Or just increased cap, if you'r concerned with balance. A Lunar with Ess 3 Dex 4 can normally only increase his Dex by 5 with DBT, but if he takes the Celerity Gift 3 times, he can increase it by 8, sort of thing. ~ BerserkSeraph
 :::Acutally, if you split the attribute bonuses into two gifts (Horrifying Might and Terrifying Agility, for example) and use the four-dot system, this should take care of itself insofar as you can only buy up to your Essence in dots... though that might end up too limiting. -[[szilard]]
@@ Line 255: / Line 255: @@
 :::::I think I like a combination of these ideas; characters may up to double their base Attribute with DBT points (as above, without +Essence).  Additionally, a Gift named perhaps "Gifts of Might and Grace," purchased normally, increases this limit by 1 for all Attributes.  Levels above four might increase the maximum by two or even three per purchase.  I'm not sure whether or not to give Full Moons +1 limit by default or not.  How's that sound?  - [[Arafelis]]
-::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ [[BerserkSeraph]]
+::::::I dislike Caste-attribute benefits. Full Moons benefit from Attribute boosts more because they have die-adders and success-converters already, having taken more Charms from the combat trees - they don't need an increased cap to emphasize their role as combat guys, and it certainly makes less sense than giving it to Luna's favored shapeshifters, the Changing Moons. ~ BerserkSeraph
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 :Note that three levels of the Fear Gift (which may be purchased by a starting Lunar with only one level of DBT), as written, appear to be better than Terrifying Apparition of Glory. That strikes me as... problematic. -[[szilard]]
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 To see the older versions of these Gifts, check any revision before 27.

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